I would love to have banks and weighted currency again, that's one of the things I really missed while playing Morrowind. ^_^

Yeah but Fallout is much more of a 'hardcoe' game. It's atmosphere is a lot different to TES, what with everyone struggling by in life, radiation, dehydration and starvation facts of life, and mutants crawling around the wasteland, so it makes sense to have a hardcoe mode. This is just a fantasy, open-world game.
Weighted gold would be inconvenient and unnecessary. I struggle to take home all the loot I find in a cave in two trips, let alone having to worry about the gold I'm carrying.

Uh, Morrowind has weighted gold? And banks?

I don't recall.

I imagine Skyrim to be a much more dangerous atmosphere. people struggling and dying in war without a unified government. The intense cold.

He's saying Daggerfall did.

He missed while playing Morrowind. As in, it wasn't present.

Ninja'd!!!!!!!!!!!!! :ninja:

by all means make it a toggle or included in a hardcoe mode. I just don't want it as a default.

In addition what kind of weight are we going for here. If you want a very expensive object do you need to drop everything to buy it to carry all your gold? Is a weak mage character able to buy an expensive item? Or do you end up with banknotes and a cash economy once you have deposited your money into a bank?

Obviously they wouldn't make it weigh so much. It's be like it was in Daggerfall, which i thought was fine.

I'd not hate it if gold had weight, but I'd prefer it not to have any... I'd like to stack my gold in piles, like I could in Morrowind. :disguise:

Eh?

TES, where everyone struggles by through bandits, creatures, undead, Daedric Princes (and not just Ser Mehrunes, in all his attempts), transcontinental invaders, massive plagues, environmental threats (depending on province), Governmential and religious conspiracies (was it Tiber, or Wulfharth, or Arctus that made Talos again?) and other raw facets of existence.

I do see the distinction you're trying to make, but I still find it's a rather arbitrary one at best. A game series can be as 'hardcoe' as the designer wishes to cast it as. Hence in Daggerfall, gold had weight and everything could cut you in half at level 1. And hence in Morrowind and Oblivion gold was weightless and for the latter of those two, by comparison to Daggerfall and the former of the two, everything died at the sight of you at level 1. None of which had any relevance to the grit of the particular environment; Daggerfall had far more civilization than either Morrowind or Oblivion. And yet it still represented those hardcoe elements, quite nicely at that.



Personally, I would prefer the weight of gold to be more on the minimalistic side, such as 0.03 or 0.05 units per gold piece. The idea (for me at least) is to make any gold in the thousands start to get cumbersome, as well as eliminating the ludicrosity of trekking around with a king's fortune in one's pocket. Once the thousand-mark gets hit, that's when bank notes would play a part.

yea.why not have it if its optional

That's my perspective for most things. The only question is if it's too hard to implement... and this definitely isn't

Ehhh... I suppose... but I still don't think TES give that vibe off at all. It's just an open-world game where you can do whatever you want and be whoever you want in a land full of exciting ruins and caves to explore, creatures to kill, and an abundance of quests to fulfill.
Fallout is an open-world game where you can do whatever you want and be whatever you want, in a game where people struggle to live everyday life dealing with radiation, dehydration, starvation, as well as mutants and savages that roam the wastes.
Can you see the difference? Fallout is so much.. deeper, and more serious. I can't really explain any better than that.
Surviving from mutants and radiation is much more difficult than being involved in a civil war. It's just my opinion I suppose, but I'm strongly against ANY form of realism or hardcoe elements in the game.


Ah, of course.

No.

Well, this is a must for me...or at least - "please implement it" sort of thing! It really hampers the immersion when I carry around tens of thousands of gold...I mean, I don't understand how people get over that...Thankfully, there are mods for that, but the combination - Gold has weight - cheques (spelled ok?) - and Banks - would be down right fantastic!!!

It's a game. Fun beats realism, every time.

I mostly make "please implement it" things. It's like, all my topics. Most of my ideas are pretty well recieved, while a few are shot down pretty fast.

i think its just spelled checks.

The first proper usage of paper money started off in 13th century IIRC, isn't it about time Skyrim go with the flow? lol

I think Bethesda cares enough about their fanbase not to piss the majority off and anyway its not the worst damm thing if coins don't have weight

Although in TES you have big cities with huge walls and dozens of well-equipped soldiers to defend it, whereas in Fallout, you have ramshackle walls made of scrap metal and broken buses, with but a couple of grizzled defenders to protect it, for one example.
Sigh. I'm struggling to explain the differences. Such as between an eccentric, colourful, mythical beast and a horrid, foul mutant. The difference between having all of your water supplies irradiated and little to defend yourself with, and living behind strongly fortified walls with pure water abundant.
God, that's horrible wording. But I can't describe it any other way. Surely you can just feel the difference in atmosphere?
Whatever, have it optional. My attempts at defending my opinion are futile, at best.

It's a whole different world, with a different history in both lore and the previous games. They're not really similar games at all, other than the fact that they're based on the same engine and are open-world adventures.

I don't think the collapse of a six hundred year old empire is a great time to turn to centralised banking and notes of currency.

Honorable conclusion. my hats off to you

Lol. I've tried to be diplomatic.

But can I ask you something? Don't you also find it unrealistic to be able to carry around 300 pounds of equipment? Do you want that brought down to say.. 50?

Who are you to say what a fantasy rpg is supposed to be, especially when it comes to something as rudimentary as realism. Maybe we should remove gravity because that concept is too realistic.

What about a magical ATM?