I'm not really using Frans for creatures or anything, I just wanted the extra items. Also, re-removing SSEE-OOO, sigil stones expanded and extended, allowed me to load the crashing areas. I guess it was a combination of SSEE and another mod that i had disabled that was causing the problems. When i removed SSEE and found that it still crashed, i assumed that SSEE was not the problem and reactivated it.

Shame, those stones looked like they'd add some variety to closing gates

edited, for most of my post being wrong

okay, just checking..still not recommended, has you are most likely not getting very many frans items anyways. With OOO and Armamentarium and Realswords loaded has well.

Found at least one iron gladius so far! (I knew it was a frans item because it was missing a mesh that i hadnt installed). I like having more variety than I'll need. I find it hard to imagine anyone but the legion having standardized gear in a world like Oblivion's.

What I'd really like to do is weaken all the realswords weapons so they're balanced instead of being overpowered, or keep the strong ones from spawning until later. It's great when your character is young and the OOO world will kill him if he goes in the wrong hole, but I can see myself ditching them at higher level to keep the challenge.

of course, i really shouldnt be playing oblivion. I have a math test tomorrow, a project due friday, and finals coming up. Still, it is preferable to have relaxation be relaxing, instead of crashing whenever i try to do some stuff.

Guess i was wrong about SSEE-OOO causing the crash. Still crashes every time.

Problem is not solved, still crash inside the gate. The trigger seems to be talking to the kvatch guard inside the gate. When i run past him, everything loads fine. If i talk to him, and then move forward, then i crash when i load the next set of cells.

Have you tried using a set stage command? http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Console_Command_Tutorial

the crash went away. everything works fine now, I just can't use SSEE-OOO, I'll try it out again later, maybe it was only giving me trouble for the kvatch gate or something.

What is SSEE, by the way?

Sigil Stones Expanded - Extended. Some guy took Sigil Stones Expanded and then added more stones, turning it into Sigil Stones Expanded and Extended. Added all sorts of variety to the sigil stones.

Oh...okay, haha. I'd go with the working setup...