The NCR had hired mercenaries to harass Jacobstown some time before the Second Battle for Hoover Dam.

I doubt House will allow NCr soldiers or mercenaries working for the NCR to occupy any area within the Mojave.

I bet they could help Novac as a whole. We will make sure they get a nice office and quality food.

I suppose they could examine and help remake the vertibird under supervalence. Sorry for the inconveniance but it is standard protocol. That vertibird is worth more than anything else in the State of Cottonwood.

ooc: they were hired by a shady politican trying to get re-voted by stamping out on mutants killing cattle (black moutian), the main body of the ncr didn;t know

Captain wilson - NCR


a rancher might have, i heard there was attacks on cattle by mutants awhile ago but the NCR itself did not hire these mercs...



again with the world "occupy" should war between NCR and Goodsprings happen i shall dicuss with mr house's ammbassdor , pirvately on what to do but i can assure their will be no occupation.... any forces will simply deal with Steve... and leave...



*wilson laughs* yes indeed, they cost roughy 10,000 caps back in the NCR

the OSI will help were it is required so feel free to ask them to assit in projects you have no time or money to do.

Still NCR, not much difference from supermutants' point of view.

I will let you and House deal with that.

They're worth far more here.

Thank-you, we will make sure any new technology discovered there will be given to the NCR aswell.

Ambassador David Draiman-Mr. House

OOC: Bob's aggression was necessary to jumpstart the thread, but now it's being thrown out of proportion, imho. I don't want Goodsprings to be an enemy, and I don't want a war of this sort to happen, because it would result in a quick end of goodsprings. I also think that this "Mojave Caravan" thing is not going to work, and is going to complicate NCR's presence at the convention, as well as everything else. But that's my opinion.

While Mr. House and I are allies with NCR, well... We have to be, for the economy to survive, NCR does not need any more occupation than the airport we gave them.

The Mojave Outpost is the furthest NCR is getting into the Mojave elsewhere.

The OSI is welcome in the Mojave, but NCR troops, for the time being, are not. I hope you understand.

House holds knowledge and intelligence over most human traits, so I think the OSI's presence is good.

Ambassador Turner - The Kings

* Turner laughs bitterly at Wilson's words, his face buried in his hands for a moment, before he regains his composure.

"The Van Graffs? The GUN RUNNERS?! Have you ever been to Freeside? The Van Graffs and the Kings don't get along Major, and the Gun Runners ain't much better. Let me show you something."

*Turner takes out his .44 Magnum revolver, the initials TCB scrawled into the barrel - Takin' Care of Business.

"I got this gun 2 years ago, and I had spent the last year and a half beforehand saving up the caps to do so. I worked for the Garrett Twins at the Wrangler, I worked for Mick and Ralph at their supply store, I sold chems to the Followers, chems I muscled out of the local drug dealer. I did all that, and I STILL had to ask the King for 3/4 of the payment, which I'm still paying him back for. I'm just lucky I have the King to fall back on as a friend, which is a luxury many of my boys in the Kings don't have, which is why the lot of us are using salvaged 9mm pistols and hand me downs. So you wonder why we get ornery when NCR troops come marching through Freeside and into the Strip? Why some insist on staying, looming over us? THAT's why the NCR isn't in Freeside anymore. I'm sorry Major, but I've got to keep the well being of the Kings in mind, so I'm allying with Goodsprings and the GMCG. Your investigations can continue if you want, but when you have your answers, you are to stay out of Freeside's business, and there will be an embargo on NCR caravans."

Ambassador Lobotomite - Black Mountain

We are no longer called the State of Utobitha. Ever since our previous leader, Tabitha, left we've just been calling it Black Mountain. The mental state of the Nightkin of Black Mountain is also no longer an issue thanks to Marcus and Dr. Henry. He developed a cure for the schizophrenia all Nightkin suffer from, it has so far shown a 100% rate of success among my kin.

As for bighorner meat for the radio time, I accept. We will also join the GMCG for now to see if it shows its worth.

As for trade, of course it will be affected. The GMCG only has power within the states who support it, since the State of Cottonwood hasn't joined, the major caravans of the NCR and elsewhere will now completely avoid the I-15 rather then using this new caravan and travelers will do the same to avoid paying the 100 cap tax. It is not just Goodsprings that benefits greatly from the I-15, the merchants of Black Mountain are making a handsome profit in caps and supplies from the travelers who who pass by Sloan. As your neighbor we will be hit hardest by this tax.

@Primm
That is why I must ask you Ambassador Ryan for permission for Black Mountain to setup a small trading station at the crossroads of the I-15 and the road to Nipton similar to the 188 Trading Post. Most people outside of the Mojave don't know about Quarry Junction so this new trading post will also be used partially to advertise the quarry.

@Everyone
If Primm allows this to happen, I invite anyone else to send their own merchants to setup here as well.

ooc: I'll have more responses tomorrow, and such

Representative Steve

@ Jacobstown
Welcome to the GMCG my friend, I believe this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship.

@The Kings
So you will be joining the GMCG? In that case Freeside is now the GMCG's top priority in feeding. Almost all of our Bighorn meat for the next 2 years will be going to Freeside in exchange for caps and guns of equal value. Also send some Freesiders to Goodsprings and we'll teach them how to grow crops and such. If you don't mind we'll take all of your prisoners too, we can put them to work on the ranches and they'll help the process go along faster.

@Novac

We need to set a location for the meat processing plant that's for sure, only one stockyard is really needed. Can you think of any locations? Also if your town would simply join the GMCG, the NCR caravans and Barons would be shut out of the Mojave for good. You can still have NCR trade and such but all of the good caravan revenue stays in Mojave citizens pockets were it belongs. It's not as if the NCR will really have a retaliation against you anyway, if they violate the Free economic zone of Vegas treaty it's lights and water off for their citizens, we all know that won't end well.

@Black mountain

With you joining this trade group is almost fully complete with only three major communities; The Strip, Novac and Primm having not signed up yet. But don't worry the way the GMCG works if you still need goods that can only be found from the NCR we can still obtain them for you. It's just a matter of the caravan trading with one of their caravans at the border of the GMCG controlled zones. So let's say Novac and House don't join. You can still buy goods from NCR caravans at your border post, it's just a matter of they can't enter or transport goods through your lands. Given the many independent caravans in the wasteland it's not as if we still won't access to goods and trade. Lastly because you are part of the GMCG if you need something or an item you don't have to contact the Crimson Caravan and hope the NCR is in a good mood, but we can use this forum to discuss how we will obtain it. It's the best of both worlds, we get NCR goods, but the NCR caravan profits go back to us.

Major Randall Starks - Enclave Remnants

A thinly muscled man in his late forties enters the room wearing a standard issue Enclave officer's uniform with a guass pistol hanging from his belt. He stops to survey the gathered parties before striding over to the seat labeled "Enclave".

"My superiors took forever before deciding whether or not to send representation to this gathering. I'm certain to have missed a good deal of the proceedings and would like to know what the current topic of discussion is?"

The Major adjusts his hat and wipes a spot of grime from his otherwise pristine looking uniform.

Advisor stone- Brotherhood of NCR

Whilst this was going on advisor Steve had stepped out to go and get some records for Wilson returning he handed the records to Wilson before noticing...

“What’s the enclave doing here?” he said…

Major Wilson – NCR

@Kings:
(Ooc: soldiers wouldn’t be walking through Freeside, it would only be gamblers and merchants, the army is out.)

You seem to have misunderstood; you can join his lunatics knock off courier service if you think it will benfit freeside. All I asked is that you don’t go slaughtering NCR caravans as he asked.

Sure you might be able to take on a few caravans but they will get revenge and that’s before the NCR itself get involved, caravans are not ran by the government so any relation to attacks on them by kings is out of my hands…

I’ll leave the decision to you but I’m pretty sure the king won’t like gun runners & crimson caravan mercs raiding freeside because you kill some of them.

@Mr house:

Why does everyone assume theirs going to be an occupation? There is not …

But I must stand up for my people against this lunatic….If it was the citizens of Vegas being killed by goodsprings I’m sure you would do the same…

@Goodsprings:

You think you’re still gonna get NCR after dealing this way? “We get NCR goods, but the NCR caravan profits go back to us” as you put it….
You put [censored] bounties out on NCR caravans, none of them will deal with you .. It might even become illegal once the president hears about this….

Oh and I thought I should mention, although I speak for the army, I doubt speak for the caravans themselves. Once they hear about this don’t be surprised if mercs attack goodsprings or the CGMC

Ooc: Gingy: I think it should end like this, the caravans themselves attack and wipe out the GMCG, the crimson caravan & gun runners are more than powerful enough to do it without the NCR army getting I involved

@Black mountain:

Despite problems with goodsprings the NCR still wishes to continue trade with you, there is an old police station near prim that I think would be prefect for a black mountain trading post.

@enclave:

“Welcome, right now we are discussing how goodsprings think they can take on the NCR…. although I must say I’m surprised you here.”

Ambassador Turner - The Kings

OOC: I was referring to before the Hoover Dam battle.

"The Kings won't attack any caravan that doesn't have it coming, if the Kings go to war it won't be us making the first move, remember that. Goodsprings can do whatever they want, the Kings will carry on carrying on, just without you, the Crimson Caravan, or the Gun Runners, who as I said, are useless to us seeing as how no one in Freeside has the money to buy from them anyway."

* And with that, Alex focuses his attention to Steve.

"I'd be happy to send the traitors to Goodsprings, just keep 'em away from any sort of explosive is all, don't want another Powder Ganger-esque uprising. We can also trade the goods we have from the Westside Co-Op, as well as the money we collect from the Garretts, Mick and Ralph, and the Van Graffs for your Bighorner meat."

Thank-you, House is a wise man to allow NCR scientists to help us further technology.


Black Mountains trade would vanish completely thanks to this horrid trading group. We here at the State of Cottonwood would like to offer you the chance to set up a trading outpost in Nipton and Searchligh, both of which recieve a lot of trade, and we will let you establish your own settlement in the ruins of Ranger Station Charlie in exchange for a twenty cap a month tax and a two percent income tax. You can do whatever you wish with the settlement so long as it stays within our laws.


We do not want this misunderstanding over foreign trade completely ruin our relationship with Goodsprings, we can establish this plant in Nipton,its the closest my territory reachs to your's.

We will not join this trading group, if Novac wishes to continue funding all of its projects, including making a river, fixing a vertibird, and mass producing a currency, then we must continue to allow NCR caravans to go through our territory.

Local caravans will not work, the Mojave is still pretty dangerous and local caravans do not have enough money to equip themselves well enough to take on everything that's out there.

If we cut off trade now and the NCR hesitates for more than a month before investing into our caravans Cottonwood will go bankrupt.


I recommend not joining this, House dislikes it and not allowing NCR caravans into your territory, which is what the agreement is, will cause House to be infuriated with the Kings. He may even drive you out of Freeside all together.

Ambassador Lobotomite - Black Mountain

I will accept the offer of setting up another trading post in Ranger Station Charlie, but I will have to decline the invitations of Nipton and Searchlight. The whole reason why I wish to start a trading post at the crossroads of the I-15 and the road to Nipton is to inform travelers about Sloan and Quarry Junction, to give them a reason to go through Goodsprings territory. With the clearing of Scorpion Gulch I also hope to make a new route through the hills in between Novac and Sloan, this will allow Ranger Station Charlie to be another good way to advertise the quarry.

@Goodsprings
In order to maintain the trading post at the I-15 Crossroads, Black Mountain will have to send caravans regularly. Since we are now apart of this Mojave caravan group, we won't have to pay your tax. In an effort to save Sloan's future as an effective trading post, I will be allowing travelers to accompany the caravans heading back to Sloan for a price of 10 caps, half of which will be paid to Goodsprings. The travelers accompanying my caravans will not be harmed or accosted when they are in Goodsprings territory, if they wish to stay in Goodsprings then they will pay a hundred caps directly to an official of your state so they may do so.

But if you wish to bring trade to Quarry Junction then advertising travel through Goodsprings wouldn't help. They wouldn't dare go into what may now be hostile territory to them.

I recommend breaking off from that trading agreement, making a road through Scorpion's Gulch and advertising Quarry Junction in Nipton and Searchlight, you would get far more business that way.

And perhaps we could get a group of people together to take part in Black Mountain Radio. We could make it into a reliable news source and constantly advertise Quarry Junction.

Ambassador Lobotomite - Black Mountain

The caravans that will be traveling through Goodsprings will be heavily guarded by Nightkin. This won't be out of fear of Goodsprings reprisal, but an attempt to make travelers feel safer. Setting up a merchant in Nipton could be a good idea, but I feel that the I-15 Crossroads will be enough to inform people which ever way they go. It would be better if other states were to send merchants to this new trading post, not only to advertise their own states, but to also ease nervous new travelers into letting a Nightkin sell them things.

What I am trying to say is that travelers would much rather travel through the State of Cottonwod, which is a friend of the NCR's and allows free trade, than travel through Goodsprings, which has shown much hostility towards the NCR and has even placed bounties on the heads of their caravans.

You would gain more profit from advertising in my territory. I am only trying to help Black Mountain out, we are good allies after all.

I have a plan on how to deal with this GMCG, however the NCR will need to assist me.

I am making the Western Trade Asociation, a group dedicated to bringing NCR products to the Mojave with the combination of NCR and Mojave caravans. We can offer very good deals to any states wishing to join the WTA, Jacobstown, Black Mountain, and Freeside can get easy access to the greatest food, medicine, and weaponry in the known world so long as they allow all caravans to pass through freely without any tax, unless a tax is part of our agreement, or hostility.

We have the means to fund this, we just need House's approval, and if he approved the GMCG then he will definantly approve this, and the NCR's agreement for this.

ooc: not sure if the ncr is still buying limestone from the qaurry but i assume it is.

Major wilson-NCR

@Black moutain:

along with what Novac said, NCR is most likey your're biggest customer for Limestone from the quarry, if we can't safety get to black mountian many people will go everywhere, thus affecting your business and trades epsically since I haven't heard of goodsprings purchasing Limestone....

also we are willing to help you build this road though Scorpion Gulch should you need supplies, tools or workers.

@novac

Thank you for your support aganist goodsprings and although you may have to talk to some of smaller independent caravans, the NCR will join the WTA, this includes the gun runners and Crimson Caravan companies.

I'm also ordering for some radio equipment to be sent to OSI offices in Novac. once set up it can be helped to orgainse the WTA along with a news channel and company advetisemant as you suggested.

Caravan who have acess to hand radios could also use the radio equipment to call for help if attacked, no doudt goodsprings aren't gonna like this...

My brother actually runs a small caravan, he's [retty influential and should have no problem rallying support from other Mojave caravans.

And you may ship radio equipment if we're allowed to see the script of what's being said, making sure it all remains factual. Its just a precaution to make sure everybody is getting unbiased news, I would do the same for any other group.

Perhaps one day we can make it standard for caravans to travel with at least one. In fact lets make it so caravans travel with ten to twelve brahmin in a row each with their own set of guards, this would decrease the likeliness of a successful attack.

Mayor wilson-NCR

Oh no you misunderstood, although shipped to the OSI, it can be used by all menbers of the WTA and Mr house. the news channel for example i hoped would be run by you, as mayor of novac. other menbers of the WTA can also start their own radio stations if they like, advertisemant channels for example.

it will simply be kept in the OSI buliding to pervent damage and for easy access for repairs. it will also keep it safe for theft, you may have a key to room if you like.

ooc: were is the osi buliding anyway? is it part of the rocket factory?

Alright, I guess I did misunderstand.

And I have been recently promoted from the rank of Mayor of Novac to Govenor of the State of Cottonwood.

If anybody wishes to join the WTA just ask, I know each of you hear and see all of you as good allies who could have a positive impact on the group.

OOC: I was going to give them a room on the top floor in the REPCONN Facility.

Ambassador Turner - The Kings

"I don't much care if House don't approve of my decision, since House doesn't rule over Freeside, the Kings do. It's not like we're gonna go pouncing on every suit-and-tie heading into the Strip to gamble just because they're coming from the West, we're just refusing to trade or accept any NCR merchandise is all. I think if the Freesiders get comfortable and confident trading inside the Mojave, then maybe in the long term we can talk about starting up trade with outsiders once Freeside has regained stability. Very long term mind you. And while this WTA group of yours is all fine and dandy, the Kings ain't ready to play nice with the bear yet, so for now, Freeside is part of the GMCG. Are we understanding eachother?"

*Turner ashes his cigarette and leans back in his seat.

I understand perfectly.

But House rules the Mojave, he lives us alone if we play nice with one another and let the Strip keep getting business.

But if you joining the GMCG prevents that then he will not allow it to happen.

If one day you can accept that trade with the NCR is absolutely necessary to keep the Mojave from going bankrupt then by all means take your time.

Ambassador Lobotomite - Black Mountain

The NCR is still our biggest customer and we will have caravans dropping the limestone off at the I-15 Crossroads so you do not have to travel through Goodsprings. I also thank you for the offer of helping with the road through Scorpion Gulch and Hidden valley, but I feel it is best if this is done by Mojave citizens.

@Novac
The main reason why most travelers will come to the Mojave is to get to New Vegas. The most direct route for travelers coming through the Mojave Outpost is by far the I-15. Travelers used to avoid the I-15 because of Powder Gangers, raiders and deathclaws, but now they'll avoid it because of Goodsprings' tax and seeming hostility to outsiders. With the Nightkin guarded caravans going through Goodsprings territory regularly, travelers will be protected by accompanying them and will paya fraction of the price of going alone. I not only wish to advertise Quarry Junction, I also wish to revitalize the I-15 and make it open to everyone again.

I thank you for the offers, I will setup a merchant in Nipton, Ranger Station Charlie and I may set one up in Searchlight as well, but the I-15 is my priority.

Representative Steve

From what I have heard the WTA is nothing more but a continuation of the status quo, the continuation of NCR caravans in the Mojave. Now I think there is a misunderstanding of what the GMCG is, and how it will work. So no one is confused this is what the Greater Mojave Caravan Group is...

Fully owned by the different communities of the Mojave (Goodsprings, Freeside, Black Mountain and Jacbostown) the GMCG is a trade bloc. The bloc's purpose is to shift caravan profits in the Mojave away from NCR caravans which Novac and House continue to support, and to create a Mojave Caravan company free from the monopolistic practices of Crimson Caravan. Let us all remember that just a few months ago Crimson was found destroying the Cassidy Caravan Company, what do you all think they will do to us if they are willing to attack an NCR citizens company? In any case the GMCG works very simply, with all profits going equally to the different members.

Since Novac has declined to join and wants to stay under the thumb of the NCR caravan companies plans have changed slightly. At the southern border of Goodsprings, the northern border of Black Mountain, the east gate of Freeside and the entrance of Jacobstown will be outpost that NCR caravans can trade their goods to the GMCG. All internal trade would be done by the GMCG. If for instance Black Mountain finds it needs ammunation that only the Gun Runners make, they can still buy it but from the GMCG who would have bought it from the NCR caravan at a bartered rate, but it would be encouraged that they find a Mojave source for their problem. Now it's critical for the NCR to remember that they can't attack any community in the Mojave or stop citizens from trading in the Mojave, that is unless they want to violate the House's treaty and start a war.

The GMCG goods will be sold in GMCG stores with one in each community. (So one in Goodsprings, Freeside, old westside, jacobstown and black mountain...maybe even Novac). But the GMCG won't be limited to the Mojave. After we establish our supply lines in the Mojave and work out the problems we can expand north and south into the waste.

We still get NCR goods if we need them, but the profit goes to us and our people. The only employees of the GMCG are Mojave citizens, including Meta humans. There will be quotas so all communities can have higher rates of employment. It's sad the NCR is threatening to send mercs into the region to attack Goodsprings for daring to take down their caravans. Typical. But ask yourselves, if Goodsprings is taken out by the NCR for standing up for the Mojave, who will be next among you? They've already tried killing Jacobstown and Freeside! We should not tolerate a foreign menace invading any of our lands and destroying Mojave sovereignty.

@ The Kings
You don't have to worry about dymanite the sharpest weapons they'll have is a hoe to work the earth. Also we have a deal.

@ Black Mountain
I understand the problem with the I-15 and the fall in trade. I have learned to hate the NCR but I never want to hurt an ally out of my spite, so Goodsprings will allow the continuation of NCR citizens (but not caravans) to travel along the I-15 and through Goodsprings terrority. They will not be subject to a fine. (But will be subject to any laws of Goodsprings terrority of course. I don't want to lose the support of Black Mountain and value your help in these perilous times.

@Novac
You truly are in the pocket of the NCR are you not? You want their meats, their caravans, their guns, their scientist. The only question left is why you don't simply become a state. I mean no offense but from the NCR ambassador's comments it's easy to see his intentions! They still want the Mojave! If they dare send troops or thugs into the Mojave, House will have them destroyed. Your town is safe, and the more you become depedent on the NCR the worse your future. The GMCG will not resend our innovation for your state to join. In fact I ask that a GMCG retail store be set up in Novac to provide your citizens the chance to buy Mojave produced goods.

Ambassador Lobotomite - Black Mountain

Thank you Representative Steve. The deal with travelers joining with caravans from Black Mountain for protection from raiders, creatures and gangs will still be done. You will receive 50% of the profits gained from caravan escorted travelers going through your territory. I am glad very that we could come to an agreement on this.