Goodsprings Convention : Fallout Series Discussion

» Thu May 03, 2012 4:27 am

Ambassador Lobotomite - Black Mountain

Thank you Representative Steve. The deal with travelers joining with caravans from Black Mountain for protection from raiders, creatures and gangs will still be done. You will receive 50% of the profits gained from caravan escorted travelers going through your territory. I am glad very that we could come to an agreement on this.

Representative Steve
Think nothing of it and I accept. If you ever have any other concerns with the GMCG or Goodsprings simply make them known and we'll come to some sort of resolution. Also I would like to take this time to get to the meat and bones of the GMCG and the vision I have for the company if Primm and Novac join.

A NCR caravan enters the Mojave and begins travelling down the hill from the Mojave Outpost. When they reach the split highway sign they find a border guard station and a GMCG outpost manned with a two human (or meta) team of caravners. They know they can't go any further on the I-15 or the 164 to the 95 and so they trade their goods with the GMCG. The GMCG group then has two trade routes they would follow. The I-15 or 95 highway, either way both roads go to Vegas.

On the I-15 route they go to Primm first and drop of a portion of goods at the local Primm GMCG store but they also buy whatever Primm has to sell. They then go to Goodsprings and stop at Jean's Sky Diving Shop (which will be Goodsprings GMCG store) and do the same. They then go to Black Mountain do the same, then Freeside, then Jacobstown and then they go back to the Mojave outpost and do the same. The situation would be largely the same on the 95 route with the GMCG group starting at the Mojave Outpost, going to Nipton, moving to Cottonwood, travelling up the 95 to Searchlight, and then ending at Freeside.

If Novac and/or Primm don't join it changes slightly. We would still have a rotation like that, but with the place were NCR caravans have to stop in different areas. Each caravan team will receive 5 percent from the profit made so they have an incentive to sell well. In a perfect world each team would be 2 people and a pack brahmin. If Novac refuses to sell us some Brahmin for whatever reason or our general stock of Brahmin simply remains low then we will have to supplement labor for capital, labor that Freeside has plenty of and is largely unemployed.

» Thu May 03, 2012 1:54 am

Ambassador Turner - The Kings

"Seems reasonable enough. I'd only ask that the NCR caravan at Freeside's East Gate be moved closer to McCarran and Aerotech, as there is still some hostility between some of the Kings and the NCR. Other than that, I see no problem with this new system. The NCR still get to sell their goods to Novac and whoever wants it, and the rest of the Mojave is able to produce it's own sustenance and so forth, allow it to flourish. House would just be stirring the pot objecting to this Draco."

» Thu May 03, 2012 2:20 am

Ambassador Lobotomite - Black Mountain

The NCR is still our biggest customer and we will have caravans dropping the limestone off at the I-15 Crossroads so you do not have to travel through Goodsprings. I also thank you for the offer of helping with the road through Scorpion Gulch and Hidden valley, but I feel it is best if this is done by Mojave citizens.

@Novac
The main reason why most travelers will come to the Mojave is to get to New Vegas. The most direct route for travelers coming through the Mojave Outpost is by far the I-15. Travelers used to avoid the I-15 because of Powder Gangers, raiders and deathclaws, but now they'll avoid it because of Goodsprings' tax and seeming hostility to outsiders. With the Nightkin guarded caravans going through Goodsprings territory regularly, travelers will be protected by accompanying them and will paya fraction of the price of going alone. I not only wish to advertise Quarry Junction, I also wish to revitalize the I-15 and make it open to everyone again.

I thank you for the offers, I will setup a merchant in Nipton, Ranger Station Charlie and I may set one up in Searchlight as well, but the I-15 is my priority.

Thank-you, the extra trade will help us greatly.

Representative Steve

From what I have heard the WTA is nothing more but a continuation of the status quo, the continuation of NCR caravans in the Mojave. Now I think there is a misunderstanding of what the GMCG is, and how it will work. So no one is confused this is what the Greater Mojave Caravan Group is...

Fully owned by the different communities of the Mojave (Goodsprings, Freeside, Black Mountain and Jacbostown) the GMCG is a trade bloc. The bloc's purpose is to shift caravan profits in the Mojave away from NCR caravans which Novac and House continue to support, and to create a Mojave Caravan company free from the monopolistic practices of Crimson Caravan. Let us all remember that just a few months ago Crimson was found destroying the Cassidy Caravan Company, what do you all think they will do to us if they are willing to attack an NCR citizens company? In any case the GMCG works very simply, with all profits going equally to the different members.

Since Novac has declined to join and wants to stay under the thumb of the NCR caravan companies plans have changed slightly. At the southern border of Goodsprings, the northern border of Black Mountain, the east gate of Freeside and the entrance of Jacobstown will be outpost that NCR caravans can trade their goods to the GMCG. All internal trade would be done by the GMCG. If for instance Black Mountain finds it needs ammunation that only the Gun Runners make, they can still buy it but from the GMCG who would have bought it from the NCR caravan at a bartered rate, but it would be encouraged that they find a Mojave source for their problem. Now it's critical for the NCR to remember that they can't attack any community in the Mojave or stop citizens from trading in the Mojave, that is unless they want to violate the House's treaty and start a war.

The GMCG goods will be sold in GMCG stores with one in each community. (So one in Goodsprings, Freeside, old westside, jacobstown and black mountain...maybe even Novac). But the GMCG won't be limited to the Mojave. After we establish our supply lines in the Mojave and work out the problems we can expand north and south into the waste.

We still get NCR goods if we need them, but the profit goes to us and our people. The only employees of the GMCG are Mojave citizens, including Meta humans. There will be quotas so all communities can have higher rates of employment. It's sad the NCR is threatening to send mercs into the region to attack Goodsprings for daring to take down their caravans. Typical. But ask yourselves, if Goodsprings is taken out by the NCR for standing up for the Mojave, who will be next among you? They've already tried killing Jacobstown and Freeside! We should not tolerate a foreign menace invading any of our lands and destroying Mojave sovereignty.

@ The Kings
You don't have to worry about dymanite the sharpest weapons they'll have is a hoe to work the earth. Also we have a deal.

@ Black Mountain
I understand the problem with the I-15 and the fall in trade. I have learned to hate the NCR but I never want to hurt an ally out of my spite, so Goodsprings will allow the continuation of NCR citizens (but not caravans) to travel along the I-15 and through Goodsprings terrority. They will not be subject to a fine. (But will be subject to any laws of Goodsprings terrority of course. I don't want to lose the support of Black Mountain and value your help in these perilous times.

@Novac
You truly are in the pocket of the NCR are you not? You want their meats, their caravans, their guns, their scientist. The only question left is why you don't simply become a state. I mean no offense but from the NCR ambassador's comments it's easy to see his intentions! They still want the Mojave! If they dare send troops or thugs into the Mojave, House will have them destroyed. Your town is safe, and the more you become depedent on the NCR the worse your future. The GMCG will not resend our innovation for your state to join. In fact I ask that a GMCG retail store be set up in Novac to provide your citizens the chance to buy Mojave produced goods.

The WTA is just to make sure your GMCG doesn't go out of control, if it is allowed to go unchecked it could be the first steps to becoming a xenophobic civilization that attacks all outsiders on sight.

And save the insults, I have made sure to keep the NCR in check at every turn. If they ever try to take over the State of Cottonowood their soldiers will be gunned down, their citizens will be interrogated, those who are not NCR spies will be set free and all trade will halt.

We wouldn't be where we are without the NCR, I am sorry to say, we need them to expand and grow in power.

Your plan will cost House a fortune which is why I must allow their caravans to cross through our territory if they wish.

Your GMCG will simply cause the Mojave to degenerate to tribals, the WTA will help us advance into the future.

However, to ease tention, I will allow stores to be opened in Novac, Nelson, Searchlight, Japa, and Nipton that exclusively sell Mojave products. It seems rather pointless to devote a whole unified group for Mojave products here in Novac whereas our caravans are doing fine.

And the Crimson Caravan will never gain control of anything besides a handful of stores at most. If a caravan is destroyed they will be the prime suspects, they're not going to become a problem.

Representative Steve
Think nothing of it and I accept. If you ever have any other concerns with the GMCG or Goodsprings simply make them known and we'll come to some sort of resolution. Also I would like to take this time to get to the meat and bones of the GMCG and the vision I have for the company if Primm and Novac join.

A NCR caravan enters the Mojave and begins travelling down the hill from the Mojave Outpost. When they reach the split highway sign they find a border guard station and a GMCG outpost manned with a two human (or meta) team of caravners. They know they can't go any further on the I-15 or the 164 to the 95 and so they trade their goods with the GMCG. The GMCG group then has two trade routes they would follow. The I-15 or 95 highway, either way both roads go to Vegas.

On the I-15 route they go to Primm first and drop of a portion of goods at the local Primm GMCG store but they also buy whatever Primm has to sell. They then go to Goodsprings and stop at Jean's Sky Diving Shop (which will be Goodsprings GMCG store) and do the same. They then go to Black Mountain do the same, then Freeside, then Jacobstown and then they go back to the Mojave outpost and do the same. The situation would be largely the same on the 95 route with the GMCG group starting at the Mojave Outpost, going to Nipton, moving to Cottonwood, travelling up the 95 to Searchlight, and then ending at Freeside.

If Novac and/or Primm don't join it changes slightly. We would still have a rotation like that, but with the place were NCR caravans have to stop in different areas. Each caravan team will receive 5 percent from the profit made so they have an incentive to sell well. In a perfect world each team would be 2 people and a pack brahmin. If Novac refuses to sell us some Brahmin for whatever reason or our general stock of Brahmin simply remains low then we will have to supplement labor for capital, labor that Freeside has plenty of and is largely unemployed.

That's all nice for your territory but our's works differently, the NCR needs to cross throguht the State of Cottonwood to trade at the 188, we stop that we stop trade, we stop trade House gets very angry.

» Wed May 02, 2012 10:01 pm

Ambassador Turner - The Kings

"Seems reasonable enough. I'd only ask that the NCR caravan at Freeside's East Gate be moved closer to McCarran and Aerotech, as there is still some hostility between some of the Kings and the NCR. Other than that, I see no problem with this new system. The NCR still get to sell their goods to Novac and whoever wants it, and the rest of the Mojave is able to produce it's own sustenance and so forth, allow it to flourish. House would just be stirring the pot objecting to this Draco."

Its not the trading part, it was the ban on NCR citizens crossing through GMCG territory.

» Wed May 02, 2012 9:51 pm

ooc: haha i found a loophole! Traders are NCR cizitens!

Major wilson- NCR

@kings/Cottonwood.

provided they don't attack any NCR cizitens they can do whatever they wish and i'd think house will agree.

Turner even said it himself that freeside generally won't be buying NCR goods, they can't really afford them or need them at this time even without the ban. once freeside has regained it's stability and income they will want better goods so will trade with the NCR and others who have them. right now they mainly need food and water, what little they can't make from their farms in westside could be brought from local traders.

@Blackmoutain.

very well although if you need any help with anything feel free to ask.

@Falloutbob

although the crimson caravan was found gulity, it did not become public knowledge (they blackmailed them) so their is no way you could have known. the only person minus NCR to known is Mr house and thats if the crouier told him.

@Goodsprings

*wilson looks like he's going to explode, steve is pissing him off*

thats were you are Wrong. NCR trades will be refusing to sell to the GMCG, their will be no bartered price. if black mountain wanted to get this ammo in your example, they would have to go to the gun runners or have them go to camp charlie.

and another thing, you keep on hiding behind mr house treaty, It was only about letting them vist the mojave, doesn't say anything about trading, and regardless aslong as vegas still gets the caps i doudt mr house will mind if we block off trade with goodsprings.

thinking about it, since most traders are cizitens you are attucally blocking them from reaching vegas were they can send caps in their spare time, so infact YOU are breaking Mr houses treaty by not allowing them to go to vegas. Mr house won't be happy about this....

with that in mind i do have one qeustion to ask you:

What is the point of the GMCG? after reading you post all i'm seeing is a crouier service thats acttually gonna increaase prices instead of lowering them. you think you can barter down NCR trader at your checkpoint? Guess again, they will porbably charge more since they won't be doing the deals they do in town.

@Mrhouse

read the part above, if the GMCG is allowed to happen wave goodbye to your customers. as i doudt may people will want to travel though the mojave under their laws..

» Thu May 03, 2012 8:08 am

Ambassador Turner - The Kings

"Seems reasonable enough. I'd only ask that the NCR caravan at Freeside's East Gate be moved closer to McCarran and Aerotech, as there is still some hostility between some of the Kings and the NCR. Other than that, I see no problem with this new system. The NCR still get to sell their goods to Novac and whoever wants it, and the rest of the Mojave is able to produce it's own sustenance and so forth, allow it to flourish. House would just be stirring the pot objecting to this Draco."

Representative Steve

Agreed, if anything House should stand for the Mojave and join the GMCG leaving only Novac pray to the NCR caravan companies corruption and job destruction. Everyone once we have the GMCG set up in the Mojave we can dicuss opening routes north and south. Who knows one day the NCR will change and allow the GMCG to provide their citizens with what the Mojave has to offer.

@Novac
I'm sorry for the insults, sometimes I fall into hyperbole and can't control myself. It's just I care about Novac and I don't see any reason for your people to face competition from the NCR caravans. But you have misunderstood. The ban on NCR citizens was a Goodsprings action not a GMCG action and further that has been repelled after I spoke with Black Mountain. NCR citizens will continue to have free movement in the Mojave, it is simply their caravan companies that pose a risk. I'm not trying to increase zenophobia but I am going to stand for the Mojave making profits and gaining employment before the NCR. That is only natural. In any case where were you thinking of having the meat processing plant I've forgotten. Also since the Mojave probably only has the resources for one stockyard the meat will of course be to a unified standard.

@ The NCR
No one will be stopping your citizens from travelling in the Mojave, even though Goodsprings. The I-15 is a faster route to Vegas so unless your citizens now have the cash to pay for the longer road through Nipton they will continue to use the I-15. Just to get out of the Mojave sun and into an air condinted casino faster most people will continue to take the I-15.

No one will be killing your citizens or caravans ( as long as the caravans stay out of the GMCG trade area of course). You blocking trade with Goodsprings shows your true intentions and does nothing towards Goodsprings continuing to get NCR goods. For example if you stop NCR caravans from trading with the GMCG somehow we can still buy NCR goods through Novac or House. Now let's not make things unneedly complicated my friend just accept the new reality.

House won't be angered by this because Goodsprings will be stopping no NCR citizens from coming to Vegas, I've decided against taking that course of action. The only groups we are trying to block our your corrupt caravans. And you keep asking why the GMCG should exist, let me tell you why.

We need the GMCG so the profits of trade and commerce IN the Mojave STAY in the Mojave.
We need the GMCG so that Freesiders, Goodspringers, Jacobtowners, Black Mountainites, Westsiders and maybe even one day Japa's citizens can all have more employment.
We need the GMCG so that Mojave communities can cooridate on security and trade matters more
We need the GMCG so that we become less dependent on NCR caravans.
We need the GMCG so that the Mojave can become a major trading hub instead of an endpoint. Think of it everyone, the Mojave is the gap between west, east, north and south for the whole Southwest with a beautiful prewar system of highways to follow. We don't have to just be a regional trading company, we can spread further than before.

» Thu May 03, 2012 8:39 am

Major wilson-NCR

More like change your mind once I pointed it out and for the last time none of our caravans are corrupt, matter of fact how could you possibly know? Have you ever been to the NCR?

Moving onto your points…

The points about employee, communication and expanding into hub instead of last stop seem all okay but the other two I don’t get, perhaps you an clear this up…

“We need the GMCG so the profits of trade and commerce IN the Mojave STAY in the Mojave”

You say the GCMC will still buy NCR products and sell them on to who need them whilst the NCR still be making profits on the goods but instead of selling the goods to the people themselves, they sell it to you who then it to them.

What I fall to see is what profit is to be kept in the Mojave, we are still getting paid, all you’re doing is charging extra to have it moved across the Mojave, so increasing the price of goods as you will want to make a profit.

Unless of course you sell it cheaper than what you brought it from us in which case you will lose profit.

We need the GMCG so that we become less dependent on NCR caravans.

Most of the NCR caravans are selling goods not available or made in the Mojave, like wood, electronics and metals. These are things you cannot produce in the Mojave so will need NCR for those things. NCR caravans are not coming hundreds of miles just to sell meat & water.

your're GMCG might work for local goods but not for imported goods

You are also dependent on NCR to keep Vegas flowing with caps, without it Vegas will starve and if Vegas starves, you do.

» Thu May 03, 2012 5:56 am

Representative Steve

Give us 6 months, in 6 months Vegas will not need the NCR for food production. In 2 to 3 years, the GMCG will be connected with every community from here to the Gulf, further reducing the need for your nation. Given your nations' currency crisis and rapid depletion of it's natural resources I don't believe you truly hold the future for the Mojave. In response to the caravans you yourself have spoke of reforms in the NCR and caravan reform BECAUSE of the widely known Crimson incident is one of them that is being stopped by your Senate.

NCR goods will be reduced in price because your caravans will no longer have to deal with travelling the Mojave, the cost will fall on the GMCG. Given that there are multiple NCR caravans competing to buy and sell goods, prices will fall for goods from the NCR. The profit comes from the reduced cost of NCR goods, less threats on Mojave roads, and the GMCG stores selling goods in every town produced in the Mojave. Wilson concern yourself not with the affairs of the Mojave, we have this covered.

» Thu May 03, 2012 11:09 am

Give us 6 months, in 6 months Vegas will not need the NCR for food production. In 2 to 3 years, the GMCG will be connected with every community from here to the Gulf, further reducing the need for your nation. Given your nations' currency crisis and rapid depletion of it's natural resources I don't believe you truly hold the future for the Mojave. In response to the caravans you yourself have spoke of reforms in the NCR and caravan reform BECAUSE of the widely known Crimson incident is one of them that is being stopped by your Senate.

Okay hold the [censored] up are you going this [censored] from?

The only food sold to Vega is exotic requests,
Most of Arizona is under NCR control.
The reforms were about cattle barons, not caravans. Get your fact straight
NCR is stonger than it has been in the last 10 years you must have missed our reform.

Ooc: dude now you’re Cleary using NCR info that wouldn’t be available to goodsprings.
The caravans were [censored] blackmailed for the last time, it’s mention in the op

NCR goods will be reduced in price because your caravans will no longer have to deal with travelling the Mojave, the cost will fall on the GMCG. Given that there are multiple NCR caravans competing to buy and sell goods, prices will fall for goods from the NCR. The profit comes from the reduced cost of NCR goods, less threats on Mojave roads, and the GMCG stores selling goods in every town produced in the Mojave. Wilson concern yourself not with the affairs of the Mojave, we have this covered.

Whilst the other things may be true, the prices is only your prediction you don’t know prices will drop. In fact most NCR goods sold in Mojave are from the gun runners or crimsons caravan.

Gun runners have their factory in Vegas, if that shuts down it’s gonna increase the prices as they will have to be brought in by the NCR branch.if it isn't shut down, prices will not change.

Crimson caravan prices are not affected much by travel, so their will only be slight drop, if that.

there is also the fact they might charge more to your caravans, in towns traders can make deals with people, they won't be doing that with a caravan.

ooc: going to bed now

» Thu May 03, 2012 10:27 am

OOC: [censored] I missed a lot. I tried to read everything I missed but if something I say is inconsistent let me know.

Rep. Marcus

Well, I'm not sure where I stand here. I'm always one to side with peaceful solutions, so I'm considering, if it is possible of course, joining the WTA along with the GMCG. It would provide Jacobstown with even more caravan attention and allow for the WTA to keep the GMCG in check within Jacobstown's borders.

Steve, your plan for trading all the way to the Gulf coast a little bit unrealistic, how do we know if there are any friendly, trade-willing nations from here to the Gulf coast? If you don't make some serious reforms to your radical anti-NCR policy I don't know if it would be in Jacobstown's best interest to work with you. While I agree with you in a lot of ways, I don't think you are being entirely realistic, and I don't want Jacobstown to get into any conflicts that may arise between Goodsprings and NCR or Goodsprings and House. Just keep that in mind. Jacobstown will not stand by your side if you start a conflict with the NCR.

» Thu May 03, 2012 7:14 am

Representative Steve

Agreed, if anything House should stand for the Mojave and join the GMCG leaving only Novac pray to the NCR caravan companies corruption and job destruction. Everyone once we have the GMCG set up in the Mojave we can dicuss opening routes north and south. Who knows one day the NCR will change and allow the GMCG to provide their citizens with what the Mojave has to offer.

@Novac
I'm sorry for the insults, sometimes I fall into hyperbole and can't control myself. It's just I care about Novac and I don't see any reason for your people to face competition from the NCR caravans. But you have misunderstood. The ban on NCR citizens was a Goodsprings action not a GMCG action and further that has been repelled after I spoke with Black Mountain. NCR citizens will continue to have free movement in the Mojave, it is simply their caravan companies that pose a risk. I'm not trying to increase zenophobia but I am going to stand for the Mojave making profits and gaining employment before the NCR. That is only natural. In any case where were you thinking of having the meat processing plant I've forgotten. Also since the Mojave probably only has the resources for one stockyard the meat will of course be to a unified standard.

@ The NCR
No one will be stopping your citizens from travelling in the Mojave, even though Goodsprings. The I-15 is a faster route to Vegas so unless your citizens now have the cash to pay for the longer road through Nipton they will continue to use the I-15. Just to get out of the Mojave sun and into an air condinted casino faster most people will continue to take the I-15.

No one will be killing your citizens or caravans ( as long as the caravans stay out of the GMCG trade area of course). You blocking trade with Goodsprings shows your true intentions and does nothing towards Goodsprings continuing to get NCR goods. For example if you stop NCR caravans from trading with the GMCG somehow we can still buy NCR goods through Novac or House. Now let's not make things unneedly complicated my friend just accept the new reality.

House won't be angered by this because Goodsprings will be stopping no NCR citizens from coming to Vegas, I've decided against taking that course of action. The only groups we are trying to block our your corrupt caravans. And you keep asking why the GMCG should exist, let me tell you why.

We need the GMCG so the profits of trade and commerce IN the Mojave STAY in the Mojave.
We need the GMCG so that Freesiders, Goodspringers, Jacobtowners, Black Mountainites, Westsiders and maybe even one day Japa's citizens can all have more employment.
We need the GMCG so that Mojave communities can cooridate on security and trade matters more
We need the GMCG so that we become less dependent on NCR caravans.
We need the GMCG so that the Mojave can become a major trading hub instead of an endpoint. Think of it everyone, the Mojave is the gap between west, east, north and south for the whole Southwest with a beautiful prewar system of highways to follow. We don't have to just be a regional trading company, we can spread further than before.

Quite alright, I will allow this competition to keep the prices competative and fair and to prevent a monopoly company. With a monopoly company people can charge whatever they want which is not good for citizens just trying to get a deal. The GMCG could someday become that.

I was considering putting it in Nipton so it is only a short trip from your state's border.

And I doubt the GMCG would reach all of the way to the Gulf, it would most likely never reach past the Mojave.

OOC: [censored] I missed a lot. I tried to read everything I missed but if something I say is inconsistent let me know.

Rep. Marcus

Well, I'm not sure where I stand here. I'm always one to side with peaceful solutions, so I'm considering, if it is possible of course, joining the WTA along with the GMCG. It would provide Jacobstown with even more caravan attention and allow for the WTA to keep the GMCG in check within Jacobstown's borders.

Steve, your plan for trading all the way to the Gulf coast a little bit unrealistic, how do we know if there are any friendly, trade-willing nations from here to the Gulf coast? If you don't make some serious reforms to your radical anti-NCR policy I don't know if it would be in Jacobstown's best interest to work with you. While I agree with you in a lot of ways, I don't think you are being entirely realistic, and I don't want Jacobstown to get into any conflicts that may arise between Goodsprings and NCR or Goodsprings and House. Just keep that in mind. Jacobstown will not stand by your side if you start a conflict with the NCR.

The GMCG's system means you only trade with other people of the Mojave, buying from caravans and selling to customers at an equal or higher price. The WTA is a tax free system where a combined force of NCR and Mojave caravans deliver goods across the Mojave. For the caravans to try and stay on top their prices are very competitive which will offer the people of the Mojave the best deals possible.

» Thu May 03, 2012 10:50 am

OOC: [censored] I missed a lot. I tried to read everything I missed but if something I say is inconsistent let me know.

Rep. Marcus

Well, I'm not sure where I stand here. I'm always one to side with peaceful solutions, so I'm considering, if it is possible of course, joining the WTA along with the GMCG. It would provide Jacobstown with even more caravan attention and allow for the WTA to keep the GMCG in check within Jacobstown's borders.

Steve, your plan for trading all the way to the Gulf coast a little bit unrealistic, how do we know if there are any friendly, trade-willing nations from here to the Gulf coast? If you don't make some serious reforms to your radical anti-NCR policy I don't know if it would be in Jacobstown's best interest to work with you. While I agree with you in a lot of ways, I don't think you are being entirely realistic, and I don't want Jacobstown to get into any conflicts that may arise between Goodsprings and NCR or Goodsprings and House. Just keep that in mind. Jacobstown will not stand by your side if you start a conflict with the NCR.

Major Wilson- NCR.

I agree you, Steve has been changing the GMCG ever second we have pointed out flaws within his system, problems we have with it and his inital idea broke several parts of Mr House’s treaty. It shows he hasn’t Cleary hasn’t though it out or for a fact how it will be funded? I wouldn't be surpised if the company goes bankrupt within a month, which could be the end for many smaller towns or traders who pour their funding into it.

Personally I think you should simply allow all caravans to trade in the GMCG f you don’t, like mayor of cottonwood said will simply become a Monopoly, you have already shown to be power hungry and I would not be surprised if you raise prises when you're having trouble.

Plus part of the GMCG is to making roads safe, many traders and people will simply go to Novac, Niption or NCR; were quote “the competitive caravan will offer the people of the Mojave the best deals possible…. ”

As for the gulf, I find it unlikely you will ever leave the Mojave you simply do not have enough unique products to sell to people. Along with what Marcus said about friendly nations. Our ranger scout reports of New Mexico alone show it is being run of several different legion remnants group.

» Thu May 03, 2012 1:51 am

The GMCG's system means you only trade with other people of the Mojave, buying from caravans and selling to customers at an equal or higher price. The WTA is a tax free system where a combined force of NCR and Mojave caravans deliver goods across the Mojave. For the caravans to try and stay on top their prices are very competitive which will offer the people of the Mojave the best deals possible.

Rep. Marcus

Yes, I think it would greatly benefit Jacobstown to be a part of the WTA. It seems like a more stable alternative to the GMCG, and while I think a Mojave-only group like the GMCG will help the Mojave's economy, I also think that some caravan groups need to be trading with the NCR in order for the Mojave to survive. I hope that my joining the WTA will not offend Goodsprings, but if it does, perhaps the GMCG needs to make some compromises.

@NCR - I agree that the GMCG needs to make some reforms- anything that breaks House's treaty, their grandiose expectations, et cetera- but I do think that the GMCG would be beneficial for the Mojave's economy and that it would be good competition for other caravan groups. Your idea of having the GMCG allow trade with all caravans would take away the whole point of the GMCG. The point is to have a Mojave-only caravan group to promote a more Mojave-dependent economy, which is a good in my opinion, besides, we have other groups that trade with the NCR such as the WTA.

» Thu May 03, 2012 11:18 am

Major Wilson- NCR.

I agree you, Steve has been changing the GMCG ever second we have pointed out flaws within his system, problems we have with it and his inital idea broke several parts of Mr House’s treaty. It shows he hasn’t Cleary hasn’t though it out or for a fact how it will be funded? I wouldn't be surpised if the company goes bankrupt within a month, which could be the end for many smaller towns or traders who pour their funding into it.

Personally I think you should simply allow all caravans to trade in the GMCG f you don’t, like mayor of cottonwood said will simply become a Monopoly, you have already shown to be power hungry and I would not be surprised if you raise prises when you're having trouble.

Plus part of the GMCG is to making roads safe, many traders and people will simply go to Novac, Niption or NCR; were quote “the competitive caravan will offer the people of the Mojave the best deals possible…. ”

As for the gulf, I find it unlikely you will ever leave the Mojave you simply do not have enough unique products to sell to people. Along with what Marcus said about friendly nations. Our ranger scout reports of New Mexico alone show it is being run of several different legion remnants group.

The thing with the GMCG is that it can't really expand outside of the Mojave and its only affective if the entire Mojave is part of it. If the State of Cottonwood's economy was designed differently we could live stabily without NCR trade but right now that's not possible. Plus it would also hurt the NCR and any other future allies' economies.

The WTA, although very simple, is flexible enough to expand all across the territories of any allies the Mojave have now and can get in the future.

Rep. Marcus

Yes, I think it would greatly benefit Jacobstown to be a part of the WTA. It seems like a more stable alternative to the GMCG, and while I think a Mojave-only group like the GMCG will help the Mojave's economy, I also think that some caravan groups need to be trading with the NCR in order for the Mojave to survive. I hope that my joining the WTA will not offend Goodsprings, but if it does, perhaps the GMCG needs to make some compromises.

@NCR - I agree that the GMCG needs to make some reforms- anything that breaks House's treaty, their grandiose expectations, et cetera- but I do think that the GMCG would be beneficial for the Mojave's economy and that it would be good competition for other caravan groups. Your idea of having the GMCG allow trade with all caravans would take away the whole point of the GMCG. The point is to have a Mojave-only caravan group to promote a more Mojave-dependent economy, which is a good in my opinion, besides, we have other groups that trade with the NCR such as the WTA.

We welcome you friend. Trade with you will be mutually helpful.

» Thu May 03, 2012 8:45 am

OOC: I'm terribly sorry I haven't been active lately. I've been very very busy IRL.

Ambassador David Draiman-Mr. House

House will authorize this "GMCG", to see how it goes, but if it affects our standing with the NCR, Mr. House will prohibit it.

That also includes a Monopoly. If the GMCG makes too much money for its own good, the system will have to be changed, or again, it be prohibited.

There is a quite wealthy pre-war casino that roaming Securitrons have found, I believe southeast of here. Mr. House wishes to excavate. Until we receive more information on its whereabouts and condition, nothing will be done about it, but in time we might need workers to help find out what is inside.

» Thu May 03, 2012 2:28 am

OOC: I'm terribly sorry I haven't been active lately. I've been very very busy IRL.

Ambassador David Draiman-Mr. House

House will authorize this "GMCG", to see how it goes, but if it affects our standing with the NCR, Mr. House will prohibit it.

That also includes a Monopoly. If the GMCG makes too much money for its own good, the system will have to be changed, or again, it be prohibited.

There is a quite wealthy pre-war casino that roaming Securitrons have found, I believe southeast of here. Mr. House wishes to excavate. Until we receive more information on its whereabouts and condition, nothing will be done about it, but in time we might need workers to help find out what is inside.

What about the WTA? Will you allow that?

» Thu May 03, 2012 3:25 am

What about the WTA? Will you allow that?

Ambassador David Draiman-Mr. House

Yes.

» Thu May 03, 2012 6:55 am

Ambassador David Draiman-Mr. House

Yes.

Excellent, thank-you.

The Kings, who apparently control all of the territory surrounding the Strip, are part of the GMCG which doesn't allow NCR caravans. In that position the Strip will lose a lot of business, will you overrule their desition and allow NCR caravans to get to the Strip?

» Thu May 03, 2012 6:36 am

Excellent, thank-you.

The Kings, who apparently control all of the territory surrounding the Strip, are part of the GMCG which doesn't allow NCR caravans. In that position the Strip will lose a lot of business, will you overrule their desition and allow NCR caravans to get to the Strip?

Ambassador David Draiman-Mr. House

NCR must be allowed into the strip.

I hope the Kings can understand it.

If they don't, well.... Mr. House is not a fun neighbor when he is upset.

OOC; Good night

» Wed May 02, 2012 10:13 pm

Ambassador Turner - The Kings

"Ahem. Don't talk about the Kings as if I'm not here Draiman. I understand that House supports the NCR caravans, and that's fine. The Kings won't touch the caravans entering the Strip through Freeside, but we won't trade with them either. Anyone caught cavorting with the NCR in Freeside will be swiftly punished, sent to Goodsprings as a prisoner, if not beaten like a rabid dog. In summary, and so there isn't any further confusion, the Kings will allow NCR caravans and citizens to travel STRAIGHT through Freeside into the Strip, but no one in Freeside is to accept any trade with them, and none of the caravans are to try and sell to the Kings, the Followers, or anyone else in Freeside. I'm trying not to be as abrasive as Goodsprings is towards the NCR, so this is the extent of our dealings with 'em.

» Thu May 03, 2012 12:57 am

Ambassador Turner - The Kings

"Ahem. Don't talk about the Kings as if I'm not here Draiman. I understand that House supports the NCR caravans, and that's fine. The Kings won't touch the caravans entering the Strip through Freeside, but we won't trade with them either. Anyone caught cavorting with the NCR in Freeside will be swiftly punished, sent to Goodsprings as a prisoner, if not beaten like a rabid dog. In summary, and so there isn't any further confusion, the Kings will allow NCR caravans and citizens to travel STRAIGHT through Freeside into the Strip, but no one in Freeside is to accept any trade with them, and none of the caravans are to try and sell to the Kings, the Followers, or anyone else in Freeside. I'm trying not to be as abrasive as Goodsprings is towards the NCR, so this is the extent of our dealings with 'em.

And since when have the Kings been in charge of who the Followers can buy from?

Perhaps the Kings should move their territory more out of the way so NCR caravans can trade with non-King members on their way to the Strip without people being beaten and imprisoned.

Human rights, they should be allowed to trade with who they wish.

» Wed May 02, 2012 10:36 pm

Ambassador Turner - The Kings

"Right, that's a brilliant idea. The Kings start a war with the NCR, drive them out of Freeside, winning House's trust, which allows them to stay in Freeside, and now we're just gonna move out because some people would rather continue to depend on NCR goods as opposed to cheaper, home grown produce. I suppose you're right.

As I said, in future, once Freeside is stable, we can talk about opening up trade with the NCR, but seeing how Freeside is still rather chaotic, and seeing as how there are two more slums the Kings must account for, we need to focus on being dependent on the Mojave and the Mojave alone. If that means we need to come down hard on NCR sympathizers right now, then that's what we're willing to do."

» Thu May 03, 2012 7:59 am

Ambassador Turner - The Kings

"Right, that's a brilliant idea. The Kings start a war with the NCR, drive them out of Freeside, winning House's trust, which allows them to stay in Freeside, and now we're just gonna move out because some people would rather continue to depend on NCR goods as opposed to cheaper, home grown produce. I suppose you're right.

As I said, in future, once Freeside is stable, we can talk about opening up trade with the NCR, but seeing how Freeside is still rather chaotic, and seeing as how there are two more slums the Kings must account for, we need to focus on being dependent on the Mojave and the Mojave alone. If that means we need to come down hard on NCR sympathizers right now, then that's what we're willing to do."

Products that are home grown cheaper than NCR products.

I was justing stating that the Kings have no right to say who the Followers can and can't trade with, NCR caravans trading in Freeside along with Mojave caravans will make people have to be more competitive which will cause price drops.

You talked about the very long time it took you to buy a nice gun, I can sympathize, it took me two weeks of working every daylight hour when I was a kid in Novac to be able to buy myself one Nuka Cola, that could change it the NCR and Mojave caravans are both competiting for Freeside's business. Take a look at the State of Cottonwood compared to Goodsprings, Cottonowood is flourishing because we trade with everybody, Goodsprings is expanding although at a slower rate due to only trading with Mojave caravans.

» Thu May 03, 2012 5:50 am

Ambassador Turner - The Kings

"Right, that's a brilliant idea. The Kings start a war with the NCR, drive them out of Freeside, winning House's trust, which allows them to stay in Freeside, and now we're just gonna move out because some people would rather continue to depend on NCR goods as opposed to cheaper, home grown produce. I suppose you're right.

well if thats the case then what your problem? surely if it's cheaper people will go local company? but that is not the reason, like i have said before many NCR caravans are selling items not availaibe in the mojave, sure they might got to the GMCG for Meat, water But what about seeds? woods? metals? along with a range of other stuff found outside the mojave.(or in very limted qaulites)

people go to NCR Caravans because of that reason, it the same reason why we go to Blackmoutain for limestone, it's not availbe (or in very limted qaulites)in our homeland or local shop and agree with cottonwood about Followers & others non-king groups, i highly doudt the GMCG can get the followers some of medical equipment the NCR Caravan give to them, usally free exchange for medical treatment.

Plus seeing as the GMCG will want to make a profit, any NCR goods will most likey be more expensive if brought from them instead of the suppliers, us instead.

» Thu May 03, 2012 6:12 am

Ambassador Turner - The Kings

*Turner pinches the bridge of his nose, ashing his cigarette and taking another drag.

"Right, well I guess the bombs also blew away a man's sense of sarcasm, but that's alright. Seeds, the Co-Op in Westside handles our vegetation, and I imagine Goodsprings isn't averse to the idea of trading with us. Woods? Jacobstown, we can trade with them, they're just a short walk's away. Metals is a bit trickier, I haven't really got an answer for you on that one."

*The egg was on his face now. Turner put his cigarette out in the ashtray and sat back in his seat, pensive. After thinking it through, he grudgingly raised his head towards the representatives.

"Steve, as much as I'd like to fully support the GMCG, and as much as I am starting to dislike Wilson over here, I'm afraid the situation in Freeside is too dire to get picky about who we allow to sell to us. I'll allow NCR caravans to trade in Freeside, but the Kings themselves maintain their agreed deal with Goodsprings, and will not do business with the bear."