Witcher 2 and SKyrim:
Both are RPGs.
Both are Open World.


http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=426506
(correct link)

The lighting looks much much better than Skyrim in some screenshots.. I've always thought Skyrim's lighting is comparable to Oblivion's and I'm not happy about it.

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Erm, you're link isn't working for me. That said, I've seen it. :shrug: I personally like Skyrim's art style more, but I'm also pretty bias. Like...really really bias.

Graphic doesn't matter. None RPG will ever be better than TES/Fallout. Yes, witcher can have better graphics, better combat, etc ... but that doesn't really matter. In TES/Fallout you get to create your own character, with your own story, and do whatever you want. In most of other RPGs, you already get a character with his own story ... you can't roleplay/create your own character ...

Whats with the console wars and Game wars here ? Leave that to Youtube!

Peter Hines thinks you are lying. Graphics do matter.

http://www.oxm.co.uk/26489/bethesda-people-who-say-graphics-dont-matter-are-lying/

Have they said anything about TW2 and how it's more open than TW1?

I would not call TW1 an open world game.

If TW2 is open world, I'll get it for sure.

So as soon as you compare Skyrim with another game and say that game is better in some aspects you're not allowed to speak?
It kind of sounds as if people here on the forums are so defensive about everything concerning Skyrim and whatnot that they can't handle other things being better in some aspects.
I love Skyrim too and I too think it will be the best game ever, but does that mean certain aspects can't be done any better? No, it does not.

I do believe Pete Hines is mistaken. If graphics mattered so much, why is it that so many people prefer Morrowind over Oblivion when Morrowind has the worse graphics? Or 1.8 million people like an indie game with 16x16 textures?

How open world is The Witcher 2 going to be anyway? The first one wasn't open world at all, at least not in the same sense that TES games are.

I've never played Witcher or Witcher 2 so correct me if I'm wrong. But judging from the screenshots in the link you posted, that game isn't a true open World RPG.

In every one of those screenshots there are trees or rocks or walls blocking you all around so that you are trapped in areas. Am I wrong? It certainly looks that way.

A game can be amazing with worse graphics as well. That's not what he's saying. He's saying "Strong visuals good both for "immersion" and marketing"
So yeah, graphics do matter for those reasons.

But it's also has a lot to do with what the game is trying to achieve. Look at Minecraft. Is that game trying to achieve a visually believable world to add great atmosphere through visuals? No. Is TES trying to do that? Obviously, yes. And that's why it can matter for TES (and most other games released nowadays), but not for a game like Minecraft.

The Witcher 2 is a Fully Open World

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http://www.[censored]/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=45113&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

If that is fully open world on the Skyrim scale I am impressed. And surprised I have not heard of that.

The problem here is a miscommunication about what graphics are.
Visual appearance matters, and that's what Pete is talking about.
Technical specifications, texture resolution, lighting, etc... these things don't matter except in what you do with them to make an aesthetically appealing game, and yet those things in their raw form are what most people mean when they think of "graphics".

Judging a game's graphics by those things is like judging a painting by the quality of brush used to paint it, or the fineness of the paint.

In my opinion, Morrowind looks better than Oblivion. It's textures are smaller, it's view distance is worse, it's lighting is less advanced. But it looks better, because the art and imagery they made with those lower specifications is higher quality than Oblivion's.


On topic, but tangential to my post: The Witcher 2 is a visually astounding PC game, and I don't think it's fair to compare its graphical capabilites with a multi-platform game like Skyrim.
TW2 is going to be a fantastic game, by the way. It's the only thing I'm anticipating nearly as much as Skyrim.

I play dwarf fortress, as do a bunch of other people, most of which consider it the best game ever. It's ascii.

Open world as walk around the fence or jump over?

Graphs don't matter unless you are stupid, the gameplay does :3

Just doing a quick google search revealed that TW2 is shipping with DX9, while Skyrim is shipping with DX11, although the main features aren't utilized (still havn't got my head around that). So, does that mean Skyrim has better graphics potential? (ah the questionmark, friend to the knowledge bereft). Also, is TW2 PC only? This may effect the ability of the Devs to push graphics, like Beth have to please a wider market. I know I'm trying to defend Beth here cause man they have earned my loyalty (while I tried to play TW1 but hated the gameplay). But now that i've spent all my Beth points, I have to say that those screens made my commitment shake, just a little.

Are those pics PC version with everything cranked to high? Or what?

(Aren't all the Skyrim pics we've seen so far, X360? Even with the "we want them to look basically the same", a high-end PC with 16xAA/AF - or whatever - should improve things.)

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Anyway.... yeah, those pics look pretty good. Of course, they also don't look terribly "realistic" (another word people throw around alot here). It's a very stylized art design, the lighting's extra dramatic, some parts almost look "cel shaded" (if the cel shading were turned up to a huge number of samples), etc.

If you want to discuss The Witcher 2, do that here; http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1177210-finally-the-pc-system-requirements-for-the-witcher-2/