One computer for 3..4 years. Just a bit more frequent than console. It's all about "smat shopping" - don't buy unexpandable solutions, don't buy "cutting edge" hardware (because it's overcosted and has HUGE percentage of bad chips with new technology so manufacturers had to rise prices, etc.). And then upgrade graphics card - and 2 more years of life for your computer. (if we're taling about "console quality", it could be 1 computer per 1 console generation - their hardware is pretty similar, but PC is more flexible)

Back on topic.

Upsides:
PC: better textures resolution, bigger draw distance (in open world game it might impact your expirience), mods (including quality improvement mods one day)
Consoles: simplier to play, if you already get one - you shouldn't upgrade

Downsides:
PC: if you ask "console vs PC", I'm pretty sure you had crappy PC. And you should to upgrade it or buy (better - build) new one. You also had to learn a bit tech stuff (don't worry, you won't become a nerd ) - but hey, you must know how to drive a car to, well, drive it, right?
Consoles: worse perfomance (even comparing to 500$ modern PC), possible - 720p resolution instead of 1080p (some latest game run in 720p to reach acceptable framerates - price to pay for old hardware), tea-long loading times, not sure about community mods allowed

Generally: PC requies more from you, and gives more to you. Console is just... average, you know.

What will be better on PC?
- Higher res textures, Todd didn't want to say how high. This has been the same deal for Morrowind, Oblivion and Fallout 3 - and the textures on the PC version for those games weren't what I would like to call "hi-res" textures.
- AA. Obvious here and nothing special. Makes the game look smoother and less jagged; not better graphics.
- Higher resolutions. Obvious here as well and nothing special.
- Higher draw distances. Good, but nothing that will change "graphics".

What will mods be able to do to improve the game's graphics?
- Better textures, which can slightly improve "graphics", if you even want to call something as simple as a texture replacer as a "graphics improvement".

That's it. Don't expect anything more. Don't expect a graphics extender to come ever, and if it does come, expect it to take 4-6 years before we can get great, new working shaders that truly change graphics.

Todd has said he wants to force equality for all platforms, and that's what it's sadly going to be, unless things will change before 11/11/11, so that the PC version will be a PC version, instead of a console port.

Well I've owned 2 ps3s since release. And have only had 2 pcs in the last 11 years. My point is, in the long run (and with a little brain power) you could spend about the same on both, but have better overall performance, graphics and options with a pc. If you ask me, pushing the consoles to the limit, is like owning a out of date pc, and trying to run scaled down next gen games. Like OP , you keep pushing that rig to limit, it could burn out , like so many consoles have. Imo buy it for whatever you want.

pc will get a higher resolution, AA, AF, and a few other nifty features that will make it look better. not to mention with time modders will come out with graphic overhauls that will give better graphics than the vanilla game.

honestly i will probably get it on 360 and wait for goty that way a lot of nice mods will be out and by then i should have my computer built that will handle the game maxed out.

Hello, I play both Morrowind and Oblivion on my laptop and am curious whether or not I can play Skyrim on it.

I'm not sure exactly what the spects are, so I'll just read this sticker.
A Radeon Graphics HD 6370M 1GB with a dual quad core. Intel core i7. My os is Windows 7 because I'd rather not fool around with Ubuntu. (I use both on and off)

I played Morrowind on the original XBOX, and Oblivion on the 360 (still do.)

The argument that PCs are more versatile (mods) and have better graphics (higher resolution, DX11) is valid.

However I still play Oblivion on my 360.

I prefer to sit comfortably while gaming, and enjoy my larger screen and sound system.

I still stop and look at the scenery in Oblivion, and judging by the 360 screenshots I've seen so far I will do more of the same while playing Skyrim.

I'm a happy console gamer.

Some of you are pumping your PC output into a nice home theatre system, but I can't justify the cost of upgrading my PC.

For the price of a good video card, my 360 plays great games, music, streams movies, video chats, etc.

My two cents, nothing more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Sw_1P2dvWU
There you go.

Mmm, mods...

http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/7554/oblivion201103120925190.jpg
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/6484/oblivion201103081932458.jpg
http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/2609/oblivion201103011742356.jpg
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/1941/oblivion201103081942468.jpg
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/3711/oblivion201103121055593.jpg
http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/458/oblivion201103121050191.jpg
http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/910/oblivion201103012123098.jpg
http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/8351/oblivion201103071412332.jpg
http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/5134/oblivion201103130131260.jpg

I am not worried about graphics. So I am perfectly fine using the 360. I don't really care about mods either. I find it funny. Do you buy a game to play the game or play the mods?

If you can play Arena or Daggerfall or even Morrowind without mods, then you can play Skyrim and not worry about graphics then. If you can't then, I guess you might have an issue then. For me it's more of a gameplay issue than graphics. I just want nice graphics and awsome game play. From what I see is we have good graphics and hoping for awsome game play. For me it was the otherway around, awsome graphics ok game play, so I don't care for awsome graphics but good graphics and then if you have awsome game play graphics become a moot point.

Even with Jaw Dropping Awsome graphics you get use to the graphics and then they don't factor in after 12 or 24 hours of game play, if you get that far that is.

So while the PC will have better graphics, Bethesda didn't say that the PC wouldn't be better, but they are all the same. But they are all the same at what level?

I liked what someone said, and which I have always done. Get the game for the xbox (or PS3 for those who want that) and then wait for the GotY edtion and then get it on PC since that will be more likely when I get a new computer or laptop then.

I am just curious though with all the talk about six and nudity and marriage in the BSF forums is that when ever anyone talks about mods they have to have titillation and need thouse nvde mods that come out. Just curious about that.

PC

i will be able to play skyrim on very high settings on my almost 4 year old comp...

dont start these xbox vs pc threads like the greymarch it never ends well. but i guess i might as well throw in my two cents and state the obvious the pc version will have far better textures and eventually someones going to make a graphical overhaul mod.

Xbox for me. My PC is pretty turrible.

Think of mods like DLC just thousands of them. Sure some people get nudity mods but there are also landmass mods,armor and weapons, creatures, quest and pretty much anything you want has been made as a mod.

Here a few of the best mods, in my opinion to show it is worth it

http://s98.photobucket.com/albums/l243/Kyoparadox/?action=view¤t=cyrodiil_elsweyr_redux_v3.jpg&newest=1
http://media.moddb.com/images/downloads/1/22/21372/RAEVWDAnequina800x600.jpg
http://www.nehrim.de/indexEV.html Two games for the price of one!
http://hammerfell.daryam.com/Media.html

OP, probably best on those specs to get it for console first and then get GOTY for PC, prices for an upgrade will have gone down by more than ￡40($60?) by then.

I guess the PC graphics will be in about the same range as the graphics for Fallout 3. Texture-wise but not lighting wise. And even without shadows I thought Fallout 3 was a pretty good looking game on PC.

I'm hoping it at least uses dx10? I can't see skyrim being strictly dx9.....

Unfortunately, it is. It can use up to DX11, but not for any of it's big features. Likely just it's improved efficiencies. Bethesda has chosen to design an outdated game.

Yeah, well for an outdated game it still looks pretty damn good to me :biggrin:

Crysis 2 is getting a DirectX 11 patch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhS-Zl0YJsw

I don't see why Skyrim would be able to.

Of course they would be able to. It just seems that Bethesda isn't very keen at all on doing more than they absolutely have to for the PC :confused:

Creation kit seems more than they have to.

Really? Creation Kit is already made for the devs. All they have to do is to pack it in with everything else, pretty much, something which pretty much any other sandbox game is doing.
It's not really a big achievement to add something that's already there, to a community that has been active for several years already.

But a pale shadow of what it COULD look like.

I know that but they still have to do extra work to make changes for public use, it's not as easy as it seems, its why the Fallout 3 GECK was released late. Personally , I think it is a big achievement for Bethesda to keep their community supported in this way. I'd much rather a creation kit over better graphics any day, although a dx11 patch would be awesome.

to those people questioning the value of mods i suggest they hike on over to tesnexus and check out some of the download numbers for the more popular mods. were talking hundreds of thousands. the fact is that oblivion would have been dropped by most people years ago had it not been for mods. i couldnt even make it through the first playthrough without breaking down and using sabre's level scaling mod (precursor to francescoes and OOO). and i always try and make a vanilla run through of a game the first time.