A grappling hook : V - Skyrim

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 8:52 pm

It all depends how they are doing stuff this time. Are they doing that "city interior" bull that was done in oblivion (the reason for taking out the levitation spell)

If cities are built in their own worldspaces, then a grappling hook would not work. I also have a feeling that a grappling hook will be one of those things that only you can use.... sort of lame.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:34 am

I also have a feeling that a grappling hook will be one of those things that only you can use.... sort of lame.

possible, but you never know. They could definitely do it in certain events (imagine storming a castle with 5 other members of the dark brotherhood). Having enemy's able to use it on their own would be difficult, but it's possible.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:38 am

If enemies could use their own there'd need to be grappling nodes, none of it could really be dynamic.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 4:09 pm

no - or only if it is very ponderous, non exact and takes a long time to reload - the exact opposite of just cause 2

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 8:30 pm

no - or only if it is very ponderous, non exact and takes a long time to reload - the exact opposite of just cause 2

Yes it should take a realistic amount of time to get the hook all ready again. I never played Just Cause but i would imagine 7-12 seconds would be about right.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:45 pm

yes but the people at bethesda are professionals and are privileged to much better tools than what they give modders.

Er...what they give modders is the same toolset they make the game with. Saves them the trouble of having to design another toolset.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:58 am

Er...what they give modders is the same toolset they make the game with. Saves them the trouble of having to design another toolset.

Yes they give the toolset that they ended up with. This doesn't mean they couldn't of added things to the toolset that aren't there.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:53 pm

Sure, give me a grappling hook similar to Just Cause 2's.

If only that would fit with the settting...

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:12 am

Sure, give me a grappling hook similar to Just Cause 2's.

If only that would fit with the settting...

I dont get the just cause references, but if your saying grappling hooks wouldn't fit the setting of Skyrim thats wrong. Grappling hooks were used during the medieval age.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:21 pm

THe only way this could be done without insane craploads of physics modelling is Dark Messiah style (rope bow).

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:02 pm

Abseloutely. The grappling hook should be attached to my dwemer crossbow

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:00 am

Did you get this idea from the just cause 2 thread on this forum? No.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 8:18 pm

Do a barrel roll.

SLIPPPPYYYYYYY!!!!!!!- *explodes*

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:20 pm

Did you get this idea from the just cause 2 thread on this forum? No.

That thread was started after i started this one...

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:49 pm

I love grappling hooks, but... really? TES isn't just cause 2 or super hook shot :rolleyes:

It'd would be awkard to no end, not to mention that the mechanics aren't designed for or around that kind of gimmick (because unless it's a central gameplay element, it'll inevitably become a gimmick I'd think).

Now I may be wrong, and Bethesda may implement this and it could be wonderful and magnificent...
... but I don't think so.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:11 pm

I love grappling hooks, but... really? TES isn't just cause 2 or super hook shot :rolleyes:

It'd would be awkard to no end, not to mention that the mechanics aren't designed for or around that kind of gimmick (because unless it's a central gameplay element, it'll inevitably become a gimmick I'd think).

Now I may be wrong, and Bethesda may implement this and it could be wonderful and magnificent...
... but I don't think so.

your right, this isnt just cause 2 or super hook shot. This is TES, so theres no need to compare such different games. the question is if it would fit into this the game, and my answer is yes, grappling hooks were used in historical times that resemble TES's 4th era.

II dont think it'd be gimmicky if bethesda did it. it'd be a useful tool for theives, and adventurers alike.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 8:27 pm

A grappling hook would have been great! I can't see how it wouldn't fit the game, it could possibly fit any game really. Any game that's set in a world. That would mean more animations though. Shouldn't be too hard either way.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:42 am

your right, this isnt just cause 2 or super hook shot. This is TES, so theres no need to compare such different games. the question is if it would fit into this the game, and my answer is yes, grappling hooks were used in historical times that resemble TES's 4th era.

II dont think it'd be gimmicky if bethesda did it. it'd be a useful tool for theives, and adventurers alike.

The applications for thievery sure would be wonderful, but I still don't see it happening. Also, I wouldn't compare TES to historical periods (the exception being Oblivion and medieval Europe) simple because of the differences required by fantasy. Different world, different history, different culture, etc. And tbh I've never heard of medieval grappling hooks anyway :confused: Closest I can come is a hook launched from a ballista on a ship that punctures another ship and reels it in. Not the same thing as what's being asked for here though.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:40 pm

And tbh I've never heard of medieval grappling hooks anyway :confused: Closest I can come is a hook launched from a ballista on a ship that punctures another ship and reels it in. Not the same thing as what's being asked for here though.

Ninjas in medieval Japan used grappling hooks. I've seen a history channel documentary on them.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:05 pm

As soon as I read the thread saying grappling hook I was like is this a Just Cause 2 thing, but IMO I would not want climbing nor a grappling hook in the game. I am plenty happy with the current functions from MW & OB.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:40 am

Ahh fond memories of the Quake C hack; (that and banana peels).

Spoiler

(Yes this is on topic, no... I'd not really want it unless it was really important to gameplay and an original design goal ~and not "feature creep")
The Quake C grappling hook was a great hack, a wonderful addition to deathmatch games; but would it be good for TES?
(Honestly I'd rather have the banana peel hack in TES; That'd be endless fun :chaos:)

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:09 pm

As soon as I read the thread saying grappling hook I was like is this a Just Cause 2 thing, but IMO I would not want climbing nor a grappling hook in the game. I am plenty happy with the current functions from MW & OB.

Ahh fond memories of the Quake C hack; (that and banana peels).

Spoiler

(Yes this is on topic, no... I'd not really want it unless it was really important to gameplay and an original design goal ~and not "feature creep")
The Quake C grappling hook was a great hack, a wonderful addition to deathmatch games; but would it be good for TES?
(Honestly I'd rather have the banana peel hack in TES; That'd be endless fun :chaos:)

I think people are thinking of this the wrong way. It's not what Grappling hooks are like in other games, is about what they CAN be in TES.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:35 am

If only that would fit with the settting...

Let's have player-deployable ladders. :evil:

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 5:03 pm

Would be cool, but I don't think bethesda would be able to implement well. Sounds like a cheap exploit, get on a roof and start raining down destruction. Granted you could do this in oblivion with high acrobatics.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:17 pm

Not simple to implement... simple to imagine...

This, but hell yes I would like a grappling hook.