I would like to point out that the "Thieves Guild" is not a standardized institution like the Fighter's Guild. The Guilds in the different provinces might work together - but each seems to have its own leaders, agendas, and moral codes. Gentleman Jim Stacey was the guild head in Morrowind - not to say that he didn't coordinate with the Grey Fox (pretty sure their ruling times coincided at some point), but they're still separate organizational entities.

The most prominent difference that I know of is that the Morrowind guild was more structured than its Cyrodiilic counterpart. They tended to give real jobs more often, and kept the freelancing to the side. The Cyrodiilic Guild was more freeform - you've got your duties, your bosses, but freelancing was the heart of the guild economy, and went to greater lengths to set up a fencing system.

I do not know much about Daggerfall's thieves guild, but I'm assuming they also have their primary goals and suchlike.

When I had the cowl in Oblivion it was excellent for pretty much ALL crime, seeing as you could put it on and take it off in order to preserve a bounty of zero on your character. If we have any way of getting hold of the cowl in Skyrim, then you can just join the brotherhood yourself and all of the sudden the Grey Fox becomes an assassin.

The whole curse of the Gray Cowl was lifted in OB. I sure hope the grey fox stays out of Skyrim, my character didn't appoint anyone to continue to be the gray fox.

I'm surprised it took someone so long to mention this. It's basically exactly what I was going to say.

Maybe the cowl but not the gray fox....

What was you going to say? That your character didn't appoint anyone?

You know Skyrim is occurring a LONG time after Oblivion right? Your character could have died/been killed etc since then.

I'm not saying I want to see the cowl, but that reason alone for not including it is a bad one.

The Grey Fox is whoever is under the cowl. It will always be so, because that's the nature of the cowl. Nocturnal's cowl was originally cursed to wipe the very memory of the wearer from the world's memory, as well as hide his identity. But thanks to a certain someone, the cursed part no longer takes effect. But the essence of the cowl is the same - whoever wears the cowl is the Grey Fox, no matter what his profession or agenda.

Well, I wouldn't have anything against it actually.
Still, I just hope that Gray Cowl gets remade since it looked awful in Oblivion.

wearing the cowl does not make you a thief, it was just passed down through the thieves guild. after the player character got a hold of it who knows what could have happened to it. In the 200 years between oblivion and skyrim the Dark Brotherhood can easily have obtained it.

for real where you hear that

Other than it could completely destroy the feeling of actually having your character settle down in Oblivion and made a pretty successful thieves guild organization there while at the same time being a vampire and living forever as the gray fox, protected by the cowl.

I had considered the vampire idea, hence the inclusion of 'been killed'.

At the end of the day, anything you imagine to have happened to your character between Oblivion and Skyrim is just that, imaginary. If the Devs decide to bring anything back, you'll have to imagine something else.

Just give me a cloak of shadow or invisibility and I will be fine.

Exactly.

I don't see why the cowl couldn't have fallen into the wrong hands at some point in the last 200 years. It would be a very powerful tool for an assassin. Maybe "the Grey Fox" is on the rampage in Skyrim, of course people think it's the same guy who is immortal, and there's a quest to try and stop him. At the end when you kill him, either you can keep the mask for yourself and become the Grey Fox or you can get rid of it and give it back to Nocturnal.

Eh.... gray fox= whoever has the cowl. That pretty much says it all. Oh and if the Thieves guild still has it i doubt they will work with the brotherhood,because thieves guild are good guys. Like Robin Hood like people.

Yea, it's like putting some character from Morrowind in Skyrim...it's not logical.

Yeah, i agree with you.
The Cowl can fall in the hands of a negative man that use it for bad business.
In 200 year it could be taken by some bandit and shipped to some outpost in Skirim ecc.ecc.

I think that some assassin with the Cowl could rappresent an interesting storyline and, like the exemple in the img, he could be also a cool character.