Great Horseman

Post » Fri May 27, 2011 9:40 am

I've always thought the Redguards would be good horseman. They've always reminded me of Middle Eastern folk, and the Arabic nations had some pretty damn good cavalry if I remember correctly.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 7:50 am

Because they're not horses.

People, Bretons and Reachmen! They're the only ones that has nomadic horseman as their heritage.


Thanks, that bit helps me with coming up with some major condeners for the race. Looks like Breton's and Nord's are it, though, the RedGuards do have a tradition of Nomadic life that still is around.

All things relative their horseman were still quite effective in comparison to the cavalry other cultures at the time. After all, their infantry weren't the only competent soldiers in their army.

EDIT: Carthage's elephant cavalry doesn't count. We're talking about horse cavalry.


Rome never had good calvary. Roman Calvary was never an important part of the army and was always a secondary part of the Roman war effort, sort of there because they knew others used calvary and they would need somthing to at least cover them. As for cultures with MUCH better horseman, I would like to put forth the Numidians, and even the Carthaginians (my personal favorite), who's calavary was by far better than anything Rome could, or ever put forth. More so, we could travel east to find Persian Calvary, or Parthian I believe it was at the time, and then theres Sythicans (err, im talking about all the tribes up there, even though they weren't all Sythicans), all these had far better calvary than Romans.


EDIT - Amazon Queen said it all :P

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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 8:27 am

And having good military horseman doesn't cut it. We're looking for an equestrian heritage. The French tried to become the foremost naval power for the better part of two centuries, but they failed because they didn't have the maritime tradition to support it.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 5:38 am

Well the Bretons have their heavy knights. They also have some horseman that I kinda get the picture of being like the horseman from Lord of the Rings. I also see the Redguards having a nomadic horse culture like the Bedouin.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 6:28 am

In the first PGE, under High Rock, there's a picture of some tribal-looking people riding some horses. Above, it says "The Horse-People of the Bjoulsae River - scarcely mentioned in text". There are your horseman.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 6:54 pm

So apart from a volume on Corpse Preperation I can't see any evidence for any of the races being more suited to cavalry use than the others. So Bretons possibly, Orcs and Beastfolk unlikely, all the rest its up to you really.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 10:00 am

So apart from a volume on Corpse Preperation I can't see any evidence for any of the races being more suited to cavalry use than the others. So Bretons possibly, Orcs and Beastfolk unlikely, all the rest its up to you really.


Well, I'd say the High Elves, but they might just use horses for ceremonial purposes.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 7:19 am

Thanks everyone for the help, I really appreciate it, and the discussion that followed :D Also, would like to take the opportunity if anyone has any ideas or anything they might be useful to the development of the story, I would love to here them.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 8:11 am

Well the better the race is as magic the worst it would be at riding, because withe mark and recall and teleporting would you really bother with horses? Also you can use the levitation spell and fly over obstacles

Also Wood Elves can command creatures so they are the best I guess
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 7:39 pm

Thanks, that bit helps me with coming up with some major condeners for the race. Looks like Breton's and Nord's are it, though, the RedGuards do have a tradition of Nomadic life that still is around.
Rome never had good calvary. Roman Calvary was never an important part of the army and was always a secondary part of the Roman war effort, sort of there because they knew others used calvary and they would need somthing to at least cover them. As for cultures with MUCH better horseman, I would like to put forth the Numidians, and even the Carthaginians (my personal favorite), who's calavary was by far better than anything Rome could, or ever put forth. More so, we could travel east to find Persian Calvary, or Parthian I believe it was at the time, and then theres Sythicans (err, im talking about all the tribes up there, even though they weren't all Sythicans), all these had far better calvary than Romans.
EDIT - Amazon Queen said it all :P



It is all a question of WHEN. Because the history that is taught i usually the history of the west such as the French, German, English, you don't get a full story of that region. The French hated the Roman Empire in the east because they always squabled and tried to claim that they were the heirs of the Empire even though it was their forefather barbarians that destroyed the Roman Empire in the west. You have to remember that the Roman Empire continued until the 1400s and then also the countries that continued to exist with the same culture and traditions. I think there even might be some country out there that maintained even the name of that Empire. ;)

But the Roman Empire in the east through the medieval ages and even before had wonderful cavalry. Kept in the Roman tradition they adopted what was good from their enemies and improved upon it such as the Catraphactoi they had.

The Pesalig-Thraci-Italics never struck me as great users of cavalry which is why they relied on hiring Thracian/Dacians from the east for that. The Romans themselves were the Thracian tribe of Oltium, later Altium, then Latium, and lastly Latin. You've heard the story of Troy and such right? They even adopted the Draco in their cavalry. You may have heard it was the Sarmatian Draco but the Dacians (Or Daos which means Wolf in Sanskrit IIRC) used it before the Sarmatians even arrived. You'll have to thank Austro-Hungary for that along with their museums that have "Celtic Falxes" LOL.

The tribes known as "Scythians" was more or less anyone from that region. Romans named people after where they were from. Of a Korean lived in Spain...guess what he was Spanish now. Causes alot of confusion sometimes. =/ But the actual Scythians were either absorbed or dropped off the map as early as the BC years IIRC.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 10:28 am

I'd have to agree here
Even during the Republican period the Italian allies were regarded as better
cavalry troops than the Romans themselves and the Italian allies didn't match up to the Numidians, Iberians, Gauls, Germans etc, hell, anybody who knew 1 end of a horse from another. If the Romans are used as the basis for Imperials then the Imperials have dreadful cavalry

edit: And if we're talking post-Republican than as paw-prints says we're talking auxilleries, not Roman at all really. Byzantine cavalry were quite good but they were mostly recruited from barbarians

Early on, Roman cavalry did take a backseat, but at the same time, it was more effective to maintain a large professional infantry army, as horses weren't cheap, they'd either have to give increased salary, or pay for it themselves. Not cheap when you're dealing with tens of thousands of troops. Cavalry was initially reserved for the upper classes that could afford it.

But they weren't stupid. After they learned of the effectiveness of cavalry (the hard way), it became more and more important and effective. I fail to see how they were "dreadful." At least in the late empire.

Also, Imperials aren't a carbon-copy of the Romans. If they were, then some parts of Tamriel would still be unconquered.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 2:34 pm

Well the better the race is as magic the worst it would be at riding, because withe mark and recall and teleporting would you really bother with horses? Also you can use the levitation spell and fly over obstacles



The use of magic in tamriel is ubiquitous. Its like being literate, or knowing how to sing. some people are just better at it than others.

if anything, I would think that the nomadic horseman would have had their own private magickal arts they would employ while tracking, to start fires, and to heal wounds, and possibly to dominate wild animals trying to eat them.


NOT the 'I are levitating sorcerer type dude-man-thing, as what flies around and makes with the lightnings and junks."


'Magic' could exist in more local forms than there are styles of clothing. Seriously. :P
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 5:25 pm

The use of magic in tamriel is ubiquitous. Its like being literate, or knowing how to sing. some people are just better at it than others.

And Levitation is not an easy spell. And most could only stay airborne for at most a minute, if you go into gameplay mechanics.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 2:46 pm

Early on, Roman cavalry did take a backseat, but at the same time, it was more effective to maintain a large professional infantry army, as horses weren't cheap, they'd either have to give increased salary, or pay for it themselves. Not cheap when you're dealing with tens of thousands of troops. Cavalry was initially reserved for the upper classes that could afford it.

But they weren't stupid. After they learned of the effectiveness of cavalry (the hard way), it became more and more important and effective. I fail to see how they were "dreadful." At least in the late empire.

Also, Imperials aren't a carbon-copy of the Romans. If they were, then some parts of Tamriel would still be unconquered.


As much as I LOVE the Empire, they never conquered Argonia, nor did they really conquer Summerset, or Morrowind, or Skyrim. The Empires major military conquered lands were in Hammerfell and High Rock. Now, for the Romans, the BYZANTINE Empire had great calavary, but the ROMAN Empire, never did. They used it yes, but they weren't distinguished at it, maby proficient, but they we're no calvary experts.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 8:18 am

As much as I LOVE the Empire, they never conquered Argonia, nor did they really conquer Summerset, or Morrowind, or Skyrim. The Empires major military conquered lands were in Hammerfell and High Rock. Now, for the Romans, the BYZANTINE Empire had great calavary, but the ROMAN Empire, never did. They used it yes, but they weren't distinguished at it, maby proficient, but they we're no calvary experts.



I agree. ancient Romans were MUCH better at infantry tactics. Their shields and sword choices favored this tactic.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 11:14 am

As much as I LOVE the Empire, they never conquered Argonia, nor did they really conquer Summerset, or Morrowind, or Skyrim.

Yet Vivec was afraid enough of the Legion to make a deal with Tiber Septim. And then Tiber Septim used Numidium to conquer Summerset. Both taken with minimal casualties. At least on the Empire's side.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 11:47 am

Centaurs. Duh.


You know, that would make for a rather cool character to have in the race, an actual Centaur. I may just use that, though, it may be slightly..err, weird.

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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 5:17 pm

Early on, Roman cavalry did take a backseat, but at the same time, it was more effective to maintain a large professional infantry army, as horses weren't cheap, they'd either have to give increased salary, or pay for it themselves. Not cheap when you're dealing with tens of thousands of troops. Cavalry was initially reserved for the upper classes that could afford it.

But they weren't stupid. After they learned of the effectiveness of cavalry (the hard way), it became more and more important and effective. I fail to see how they were "dreadful." At least in the late empire.

Also, Imperials aren't a carbon-copy of the Romans. If they were, then some parts of Tamriel would still be unconquered.


Well yes staring with Scipo's employment of Numidian cavalry, later Julius used Gallic and German cavalry. Certainly Roman commanders used cavalry but they didn't use Roman cavalry to any great extent. In the late Empire most of their cavalry would have been recruited from 'barbarians' virtually indistinguishable from those who were to destroy the empire.

And yes, Rome=Imperials would be simplistic but noone here has argued that.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 10:15 am

Yet Vivec was afraid enough of the Legion to make a deal with Tiber Septim. And then Tiber Septim used Numidium to conquer Summerset. Both taken with minimal casualties. At least on the Empire's side.


I don't think Vivec made the agreement out of fear, but out of wisdom that the war would cost the lives of thousands upon thousands. Vivec did what was best, at the time, for his people, but he wasn't afraid of Tiber, he respected Tiber; Also, the initial skirmish's with Morrowind were extremely bloody, and even did an extreme amount of damage to the city of Almelexia. Numidium was used to conquer yes, but that was more so the big stompy robot kicking ass, not the empire's military. Numidium did nothing to help prove the empires military prowness.

I myself, love the empire and the legions, there a proven effective military force, but the empire got most of its territory through diplomatic deals and treaties, not conquest.

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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 6:10 am


I don't think Vivec made the agreement out of fear, but out of wisdom that the war would cost the lives of thousands upon thousands. Vivec did what was best, at the time, for his people, but he wasn't afraid of Tiber, he respected Tiber; Also, the initial skirmish's with Morrowind were extremely bloody, and even did an extreme amount of damage to the city of Almelexia. Numidium was used to conquer yes, but that was more so the big stompy robot kicking ass, not the empire's military. Numidium did nothing to help prove the empires military prowness.

I myself, love the empire and the legions, there a proven effective military force, but the empire got most of its territory through diplomatic deals and treaties, not conquest.

Diplomacy is often the best tactic you can have. And often the least bloody.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 10:32 am

Roman Empire = Byzantine Empire

Byzantine is a made up term in the 1700s or 1800s.

It was known as Imperium Romania.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 3:12 pm

Roman Empire = Byzantine Empire

Byzantine is a made up term in the 1700s or 1800s.

It was known as Imperium Romania.

Yeah well for once those 1700 and 1800s folks knew what they were doing.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 2:47 pm

The use of magic in tamriel is ubiquitous. Its like being literate, or knowing how to sing. some people are just better at it than others.

Well if your race is know for powerful mages you are more likely to learn the art of magic.....
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 4:34 pm

In the first PGE, under High Rock, there's a picture of some tribal-looking people riding some horses. Above, it says "The Horse-People of the Bjoulsae River - scarcely mentioned in text". There are your horseman.



I was gonna say that.


I would say that these people of the Bjoulsae river influenced the rather Colovian fashion of horses.

And as for the Redguards, NO. Nords, I doubt it aswell. Just go safe with the Bretons.
  • Redguards like to be on their own feet and in control, they ahve an honour to uphold, and don't need a companion to do so.
  • Nords are equally as Headstrong, but arrogant, in an overconfident way, rather than to save honour.
  • Bretons are poetic peoples, who would savour company of horses (no jokes please) and really treat them as an equal, rather than an upper hand.

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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 7:58 am

Except for the fact that bosmer DONT LIVE ON THE GROUND IN VALENWOOD. :P

Although Bosmers live in trees they fight on the ground in all my years playing Morrowind and Oblivion I have yet to fight a Bosmer in a tree,can you tell me where this happened to you.


Did you not play Oblivion or read Corpse Preparation quote I posted? Lizards and cats can ride horses. Bretons were nomadic horseman. Christ...

Yes,I have played Oblivion and read corpse preparation and have played Morrowind for years,if you actually read my post about the Bretons it is refering to the terrain of High Rock,Also my suggestion on the cats and lizards was my own personal thoughts,cats and lizards on horses make no sense to me.
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