Well if http://petoftheday.com/talk/showthread.php?t=94458 can be best friends in real life, we can stretch things in a fantasy game and let cats and lizards ride horses

Redguards are in regardless, its a race in Hammerfell and there will be reps. from all the cities and tribes of Hammerfell competing in. BUT, Ra'gada do have the tradition that still lives on today. Tribes in the Alik'r and the inland would have horses, no doubt.

• We haven't played in North High Rock or the Reach other than Arena, and that's pseudo-lore. Regardless, there are horseman in the Iliac and Bjoulsae regions.
  
• "Cats and lizards" can ride horses. Evidence? Oblivion.

I don't think its a matter of if they can, but if they do. Horses couldn't survive in Argonia, that there rules them out completely, and I have no idea about Kahjitts riding horses, but I don't think they would, given they would just ride other Kahjitts. Not to mention, horses are very contrary to things they don't know or reognize. Unless the horse has been around an Argonian or Kahjiit, then chances are there out of the picture.

Within their respective provinces, I wouldn't think so also. Outside, they do like the Five Riders Stables in Leyawiin. Besides, they're not exactly known to be excellent horseman.

I don't know.

Maybe those in Northern Hammerfell influenced by those Bretons on the Bjoulsae.

But otherwise, they really never had the need, and they all sung themselves to places in Yokuda. And if not, it just seems dihonourable to have to rely on a beast. Not Redguard style.

Sung themselfs into place? No, they 'sung' their spirit swords into existence, but never them selfs to place. As for horses and honor? where on earth, or nirn, whichever you prefer, get the idea that is unhonorable to use a horse?

God, I wish Colovia was like the West of Cyrodiil.

I think that at least the landscape is spot on.

I am pretty sure this magic could be applicable to create other effects with enough people. Like a choir.
Anyway, I get the idea, that for mounted combat it would be dishonourable, becuase the Redguard aren't the type of people to rely on one another. They are out for themselves, and maintaining a horse requires more than that.



Yes, but this is where the Bretons travelling to Cyrodiil would have gone to. Ofcourse, Hammerfell is a trek, but they have a horse. My bad?

Yeah. Practicality comes before honour, and Redguards are nothing if not practical. The "useless thus evil" quote in the PGE 1st Ed emphasises that. Swift and strong beasts of burden would be a must in a largely arid land.

Err, no. See, Swordsinger, the only Ra'Gada capable of creating the Spirit Sword, have to train their whole lives in dedication to the unknown god of war to form the sword in whole. Storyteller can explain things better, as I see his name below, but its not a feat just anyone can do, its an ancient art.

The Nedes had cities in Hammerfell already set up. You know, not much is said about their frontier spirit.



Tobr'a. I love that word. Sadly, that's not been used too often of late.

Yes like I said, beast of Burden fine, but to maintain both their well being in combat. I just think Redguards aren't horseman, in terms of combat.

Yes, as I said, in Yokuda, where the art is refine, and has not been forgotten, it was used to greater effect, with groups of people.




Like I said my bad.

The Ra'gada aren't incapable of compassion ya know Aide from this is mostly about racing, and if they had a history of horsemanship (which the nomads do I believe). The RedGuards aren't famous for their military calvary, but they would need some kind of animal to transport themselfs long distances, since they have an extreme hatred for magicka.

Camels (or llamas). They're not tobr'a.

Owning pack animals does not make you compassionate, nor does it make you a horseman.

No, its not. No one, but the Swordsingers know its secrets, its not common amigo. I'll get story to explain it if I can.

Owning pack animals does not make you compassionate, nor does it make you a horseman.

So are we still dismising that the nomads use horses?

To be honest it's no matter anyway, I believe you if you are certain, and when you've found me whatever to read on TIL. It was a bit of a fallacy so you woudn't bring up Yokuda. It must have been for fan fiction thoguh, becuase I even did some art for it.

And yes I am still somewhat dismissing them using horses. And by nomads, I assume you mean the Dunedwellers? Maybe camels, but only as pack animals. Not mounted combat.

Damn, I just found the thread heh.

I was going to add in the fact that even though the Imperial Legions are always branded "roman legion based", they are stated quite clearly to be famous and effective because of there extreme versatility in being able to employ any type of unit. That means horses.


I find it way easier to believe Redguards would have better horsemanship if we're to believe there based solely off other cultures. Say there based off Arabic, some of the fastest horses in the world are arabian breeds. Deserts have been home to some of the finest horses.

As for plains meaning that Dres Dunmer are some of the best riders, thats just silly since America was full of plains and we had no horses until the Conquistadors brought them across seas. In roleplays and stories, we can say whatever we want. But with true lore, I am just being the guy that says "nah uh".

Now, Swordsingers. They dont use vocal magic, thats just figurative language, as the Redguards call swordplay: the song of the blade. Way of saying Swordsmen, only it has taken a deeper meaning to a specific group, who are known as the Swordsingers. Warrior monks in Temples called: The Halls of the Virtue of War. They dont use singing magic, and whoever says they travel continents by singing, is most likely thinking of Nordic Tounges. They are the ones who use voice magic to travel, sharpen weapons, and harm foes. To not steer the thread off track go ahead and PM me if you require sources. And where in the world did one get the sense that horses are unhonorable?

Samurai used them, and they took honor to a whole new level.

So Redguards get my vote as some of the best horseman, especially with Nomads in the culture, since beasts of burden and mounts have been extremely important in most nomad cultures. Bretons definately get a major vote, but I still gotta [censored]z with my Raga.

No worries, I'll bring in Storyteller to explain things, he can tell you all you need to know. As for on TIL, I'll find it here in a quick sec. This I am 100% certain.

Horses have always been important to nomadic cultures, desert or no. The Arabs didn't solely ride cammals or use cammals just for pack animals, they used horses. What makes you honestly think that the Ra'gada wouldn't use them at all?

But they aren't Arabic. And the land of Hammerfall is different to that of [let me refer to it as a whole:] Persia. We have no ideas about the horses, apart from they were seemingly present in Northern Hammerfall, as the Bretons had adopted them as a useful resource early on in the first Era. And neither are they Samurai's. Samurais took honour to their houses, and their families. Redguards honour themselves, it is almost selfish, but it's their culture.

By the way, I get the idea that horses are dishonourable, becuase they are an unecessary upperhand, that contradicts the pride Redguards have. It makes it a victory of two, rather than a victory of one.

Thanks for clarifying on Swordsingers, I assume I got that BS from somewhere .

EDIT: I am not denying horses had a place in their culture outright, and I definitely don't imagine horses as pack animals, but I do not think it's a recognisable trait of Redguards. Certainly not as recognisable as the Bretons.

Your right there, they aren't Arabic, or any other real culture, but your idea about the RedGuards seems a bit biesed, and not taking into account the fact that, no matter which way you twist it, horses are important to most, if not all nomadic cultures, and while the nomadic life of the Bretons has died out, it hasen't in Hammerfell, especially in the Alik'r. As for evidence about where horses were, theres nothing saying that there weren't horses in the rest of Hammerfell, or anything saying they were. We can only assume that they were, just like we can only assume there were horses in Cyordiil, High Rock, Skyrim and other places before hand.

As for rather its honorable or not to use horses, Ive seen no proof or examples that it isn't honorable, or that they have any quarrels with using them.

Edit: Missed your edit