Greek Gods and the Daedra/Aedra

Post » Tue Sep 21, 2010 10:19 pm

That would be Percius, the half-human son of Zeus. The only reason I know this is because I saw the old version of Clash of the Titans the other day. (Yes, the old one with the stop-frame animation. Old special effects are more interesting than new ones. :P)


:rock: Sorry, just had to say that both old and new versions of that movie are great. The old one mainly because of how hilariously bad it looks now.


OK, well I'm not an expert on the Gods and Goddesses of different myths. The only ones I know a little about are the ones in Greek Mythology, and I thought I could point out similarities to them and the Aedra/Daedra. Clearly I was wrong to do that. :mellow:



Don't worry, trying to apply real life examples of possible inspirations for the Tes gods is futile on this forum. I see where you are coming from, and I am of the opinion that while the Tes gods are certainly well done and creative, everyone needs inspiration when worldbuilding like that. So, I see your point, but know that the gods have been varied and changed so that while they are similar, they are different enough to be fun :D
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Post » Tue Sep 21, 2010 4:58 pm

this isnt as much a similarity to greek mythology as it is a use of archetypes or of basic natural forces. nearly all religions have a deity of beauty or of nature, for example.

These archetypes are still time-dependent, though. If someone would found a new religion nowadays, it's more likely there would be a god of machines than a god of hunt. Greek mythology has more similarities to ES myth, because it seems to fit better in a world of swords, magic, and castles.
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Post » Tue Sep 21, 2010 6:46 pm

These archetypes are still time-dependent, though. If someone would found a new religion nowadays, it's more likely there would be a god of machines than a god of hunt.

Aedra of the Internet
Aedra of Automobiles
Aedra of Potato Chips
Aedra of Computers
Aedra of Modern Medicine
Daedric Prince of Viruses
Daedric Prince of Genetic Disorders
Daedric Prince of Obesity
Daedric Prince of Risky Investments
Daedric Prince of Global Warming
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Post » Tue Sep 21, 2010 4:44 pm

These archetypes are still time-dependent, though. If someone would found a new religion nowadays, it's more likely there would be a god of machines than a god of hunt.


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Post » Tue Sep 21, 2010 8:18 am

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I don't understand that. Can you give me an explanation?
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Post » Tue Sep 21, 2010 3:51 pm

I don't understand that. Can you give me an explanation?

its from the http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/5th_era_loveletter.shtml, which places a more cyberpunkish spin on the traditional tamriel (at least on the surface).
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Post » Tue Sep 21, 2010 8:07 pm

A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing. :shakehead: I'm going to rip apart the erroneous comparisons with all the indignation a hobbyist scholar such as myself can muster.


Just be careful lest an actual scholar arrive and express concern. Also, NB, "hobbyist scholar" is just so slightly pleonastic, considering that σχολη does actually mean "leisure" (cf. Latin's negotium--the neg-privative of otium, leisure--meaning "business." Then, just as now, education for education's sake was, in fact, a hobby).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aphrodite is the goddess of love and beauty and sixuality, not the god of six (that's Eros). Dibella's cults:"some are devoted to women, some to artists and aesthetics, and others to erotic instruction. She also attracts individuals who live and/or espouse an http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/epicurean lifestyle."


False. Αφροδιτη is the goddess of six, and αφροδιτη as a normal noun in fact, means, six--either as a metonym of the goddess or a word in its own right (cf. Μοιρα/μοιρα in Greek, or more topically, Venus/venus in Latin--which, as Aphrodite, also can refer to grace, charm, refinement, or culture--consider the abstract noun venustas or the adjective venustus/a/um).

Don't let pop history teach you any firm dichotomies between the various attributes and associations in ancient cult and religion: things are not so cut and dry, especially with differing ritualistic traditions, adoption and assimilation of new gods at the expense of native ones, and those sorts of things. Literature makes it more complicated because of the ways various figures are used.

Dibella corresponds remarkably well to Aphrodite/Venus, actually. Many of the associations in the original post are superficial, but this one isn't one of them--the poetic construction of the goddess of love (esp. Roman Venus) fits strongly, and we have to remember that the Cyrodils are Romans of a sort.

I do not judge intent or design on the part of the game developers. That would be silly. A philologist observes and remarks, but never speculates. Leave that to the History Channel.

Talos is a hero-god, a man-god, of the Cyrodiils. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ares in general.


I'm pretty sure that Morrowind uses a single 'i' for the demonym (Cyrodils) and a double 'i' for the province (Cyrodiil). At any rate, yes, the Ares association is very silly. Talos's civic and legal aspects are similar to Athena Polias, but I would not call it a one to one correspondence, nor would I say the former is based on the latter.

However, an inspiration for Talos (if not precisely an anologue) may have been Divus Julius. The Septims would not have been too different from the Julians, really--except of course that the Julians had an impeccably Roman patrician ancestry and Tiber Septim was actually Atmoran. But inspirations do not have to be copy paste jobs.

Anyway, sorry, couldn't resist out-pedantrying a pedant. :)
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Post » Tue Sep 21, 2010 10:09 am

However, an inspiration for Talos (if not precisely an anologue) may have been Divus Julius. The Septims would not have been too different from the Julians, really--except of course that the Julians had an impeccably Roman patrician ancestry and Tiber Septim was actually Atmoran. But inspirations do not have to be copy paste jobs.

I suppose it is needless but fun to add that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talos was not the inspiration for Talos.
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Post » Tue Sep 21, 2010 4:41 pm

Not particularly surprising; everything comes from something and what better way to start off your lore of the gods than with inspiration from one of the most lore-filled pantheon in history.

Nice job assembling it though and making astute comparisons between the two! :goodjob:
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