I'd wish that people would stop this freaking comparison [censored]. What has that got to do with anything? You either like a game or you don't, and don't tell me that you won't buy Skyrim once it's out. What if Morrowind was the absolute best game you've ever played? Are you gonna not play a game just because it cannot top that?

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I couldn't disagree more.

The pen and paper attributes don't exist for hte sake of rolling dice. Even in systems where they are not directly rolled upon, attributes generally exist, because they matter, they make the difference between to characters. Imagine Lord of the Rings, with all characters being equally strong, intelligent, fast, charismatic etc. How boring would that have been?

Attributes are what makes the difference between two characters. Skills are something completely different. Skills can be learned, forgotten, and easily change over time with interest. But changing your general fitness, intelligence or strength is a very hard task and not always possible (especially regarding mental attributes). That aside, there can be a strong and a weak swordfighter, a strong and a weak thief, a strong and a weak mage. There can be an intelligent or stupid swordfighter, an intelligent or stupid thief, an intelligent or stupid mage. There can be... You get the idea. Their skills might be equal, but the way they react in different situations or the way they are built does make the difference. You could have two fighters equally skilled, with one being stronger, but the other being faster, and have two completely different characters. Or more importantly: You can have two mages using exactly the same spells, but one being a charismatic person to talk to, and the other being always silent unless he's using a spell, but more intelligent.

Attributes are not an outdated concept, because they have direct representations in real life. An RPG without attributes could as well have no skill system at all. They're not needed for killing dragons, but they're sure highly important for role-playing different characters.

Look at a drama series on television, for instance. The "skills" of the persons involved rarely matter, compared to their character "attributes".

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Well I don't think morrowind was the best game ever made. It had huge flaws as well. I just think it was miles better then oblivion in all the ways that count for a game(story, character building, overall world feel ect ect)

The trend now is to stupid everything down to the lowest common denominator. It is like all game devs, not just beth but they are pretty guilty of it, think that a number in a game is gonna scare off the "frat boy" bro gamer. Morrowind was the last really good game Bethesda made, It is not wrong to hope to see them move back to what suited our tastes I don't think.

Will I buy skyrim? Not sure. I really do love elder scrolls lore, but not sure I can stomach what they are turning the game into. If I were you I would be upset that your fav game dev thinks all their customers have the IQ of snails, as that's how much thought it takes to play games like what skyrim seems to be shaping up to be today.

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Your poll has an issue:

I am neither excited nor distressed by the Skyrim info, as I had already figured out what was going to happen far before they told us all of this. Most of this info was heavily implied before (like how attributes had not been mentioned AT ALL. In fact, if I recall, I was the first person to mention that many months ago when the first info was released).

So I liked Morrowind more than Oblivion and am indifferent about the new info.

Enjoyed Morrowind more than Oblivion. Excited by new Skyrim info.
Excited about smoother leveling mechanics.
Excited about a more unique presentation.

That's my general feeling. Call me a blind Todd faithful, but I am convinced by his arguments for removing attributes and some skills

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I think that after 100 votes it is fair to say that fans on these forums are generally hopeful/positive/thrilled about new Skyrim information and that those few more concerned that excited there is a slightly disproportionate number of "Morrowind faithful". Leveling changes seem to be causing a certain level of distress but overall people are interested in seeing how it pans out

Ok, think reasonably. Do you seriously believe that Beth's thought to themselves while creating this game "Well, our costumers are seriously stupid so we have to dumb down the game for them"?
I doubt you really see it that way, but instead you're just disappointed about the things that you loved about prior games now removed.
If you didn't read all the articles well, Beth is investing their soul on the details and gameplay so it can be more strategic, more fluid, and give us that Morrowind's magical world feeling that most of us been looking for since Oblivion came out.

I agree, I like Morrowind better than Oblivion in the matter that Morrowind was more original, introduced better challenge and such. But saying that because they made a compass in a huge world that you could easily get lost in is dumbing down the game, or removing attributes because they didn't fit with the new system or were useless now, doesn't mean that they think we're all stupid. It means that they think their game will either be -too hard- or include useless features that no longer fit the game or the times.

Stop being petty about losing features, instead embrace and think "They have made great games in the past, maybe Oblivion was a failure to me, but that's just one game, and I hope they learned their lesson this time around."

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I think the reasoning is a simple one:Money

That is why all of the current gen games are getting the simplification treatment. They want their games to be playable by the largest number of people possible. Mostly this is the fault of development(mostly for consoles) being so costly. In today's market and economy, a game this big has to move a ton of units or they will not make back what it cost to produce the game. Do I believe they are idiot-proofing the game? You betcha.

Do they think the fans are stupid? No, but they figure they won't lose enough fans to hurt their sales, and figure the new customers will make up for the old customers who are disappointed. And even then most of those poeple will still buy it because it is elder scrolls. They have nothing to lose by disappointing hardcoe fans. I mean hell look at Fallout 3. The fans of the fallout franchise hated the game, but they ignored us and made what they wanted. Even though the original fans were lost(still a lot of them bought it including me) they made up for it. We did get thrown a bone with New Vegas, but I am getting off topic.

And to be fair and 100% honest here, most of the people that made Morrowind and Daggerfall are no longer with the company.