Hi all,

I already made a thread about it but I didnt go as straight forward to the issue as I will do now. (and I assume that therefore not many people read down the thread to exactly know my issue)

To make it short: No auction house in-game -> there will be guilds solely for trading -> guild leader will cash in all guild fees -> all players start their own (trade) guild -> bye economy

(original thread: http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1489499-guild-store-listing-fee-wealth/)

If I'm forgetting something which makes sure people won't be able to exploit this system, please let me know. (solves this issue then).

Another issue I'm having is that there are 2 taxes (Guild Fee and Listing Fee) to be paid upon selling an item and not one of them will be refunded if the item got sold.

I understand that there has to be at least 1 fee so there's some kind of money sink but two taxes that actually cut off for a total of 25% (-ish) is kinda huge.

What are your opinions on this guys?

huh?

My opinion is you should learn more about how the system actually works before making threads with problems that don't exist like this one.

Not trying to be rude, but seriously this is a perfect example of the false doomsaying that happens around here constantly.

I don't have near enough factual information in front of me to make a reasonable comment, but if the guild leaders get that large of a cut, there will be issues. In my opinion, there should only be a guild fee if you are selling items in Cyrodiil. The guild in question has obviously gone through much trouble to take and maintain possession of said keep. And by using a Cyrodiil guild store, you have many more potential buyers. So in that case I don't mind the guild getting a fair cut.

But no way in hell do I think some fat mindless merchant guild that was created just to be used as an auction house - should be getting any sizable fee. That means that you are going to see people creating these guilds just to get rich. And if someone is creating a merchant guild just to get rich, then they cannot be trusted. At all. Ever. But until we get more factual information, this is all speculation.

Guild leaders don't get ANY cut.

All I needed to know. Anyway, don't know how I have missed that bit of info. Or I've forgotten about it.

@Carde: I also stated that "If I'm forgetting something which makes sure that people won't be able to exploit this system, please let me know. (solves this issue then)." Seems like you ignored that line and only focused on telling me how misinformed I am, because I maybe overlooked/forgot something?

Before I get more rage upon me for sharing my concerns/issues, consider this thread and my other one as closed.

Do we know this for a fact?

ill repeat what i said earlier about this,

1) your account name will be shown in the guild. people will know you stoled said items or gold. you will gain a Vey Nasty reputation if you steal from your own guild members.

2) why are you even in " said guild " if you do not trust your guild Leader?

thats because Carde like myself is a guild Leader. its rather insulting to suggest this type of ...

Very good.

You join a guild, you join a guild.

Guild Leader, is Guild Leader.

How the Guild merchants work, no one knows, or atleast i dont.

IF someone makes his own guild just for guild merchants, its not enuff, AS even if you claim a keep (a miracle with one guy) you need to defend it, so the hostile factions do not take it. => without your own keep/castle, you dont have a merchant out => and having no merchant out => having no merchant out

Anyway if they would gat cash (guild leaders) what exploit could it be? I mean I do not see exploit in your discovery.

Also guilds have limit on members, so there might be trading guilds, but then with no more then 500 members - they still can not sell to public untill they own keep.

Neverwinter has a guild bank log too .. it logs how much you put it / pull out either currency or items. Also has a limit to how much pull our per 24 hours. Even stacks are still individual! So no pulling 100 Mega HP Potions for your lvl 2 fart shoes! Sounds similar, which works, if you ever have players put sh!t in LMAO.

Don't need to own a keep to have a guild store. The keep just makes it possible for people outside the guild to buy from it. Any guild that's big enough can have a store that guild members can shop at.

When you list an item at a guild store, there's a "listing fee" (gold sink) and a "house cut" that supposedly goes to the guild. I don't know myself what happens to the "house cut". Does anybody know? Carde said it doesn't go to the GM, so what happens to it? Who can access it and how?

once you make a guild its bound to your account. you cannot delete the guild you made (atleast it wouldnt when i tried)

your account name is stuck with that guild and you will regret stealing all your guild members money gold and items. its not worth it. that guild leader would have a hard time for the rest of his days in eso. people tend to remember stuff like that rather quickly lol.

This is a fair question. If "house cut" goes to the guild, then I am also very curious how the sum of this cut is managed.

I apologize if it seemed like I was singling you out, but it was more so a general thing. We get a lot of similar things around here and its a point of contention for me.

Sorry again, and I'm glad I could clear up the issue for you.

To sell my goods - thats why. Not my fault there is no Auction House

I NEED to be in that guild, but i DONT need some bossy Guild Leader to tax my wares.

Oh - and im really not interested with this guild PvE and PvP - i can do that with my "friends circle guild" where i cant sell my goods.

Do you stil thinks that guild end economic system in TESO is well designed?

no i dont think it's well designed.

but, just out of curiosity, what name do you plan to use for your character in eso?

Yeah why not, add me to ignore list please, cos i want to use some game option forced on me by devs

My name is going to be

I understand that your going to do exact same thing with 100k other players that will came to same conclusion?

Your a just perfect example of nice and friendly "Guild leader"

yawn... doomsayers, you just got to love them

... diz game iz gunna fail!

If we assume that there is a guild tax which can be set by the guild leader, then guilds formed solely for trading must have 0% tax because otherwise the members will just leave to join or form one that has 0% tax. (Note this is just for trading guilds because a "real" guild may necessary have facilities and expenses which would justify the tax.)

So even then, the economy will not "tank" because the biggest trading guilds will necessary have to have 0% tax.

It is like Facebook trying to charge you a sub. You would just move on to the next social network.

Hmm, I'm thinking of RO days where our experience (or was it gold?) were taxed and this will be spent on buying guardians for the keep, merchant or other content within the guild.

having to join a guild to sell wares is a horrible idea but whatever, they really want people to get into pvp as its the long term focus of the game and this is 1 of the ways they are trying to do it

Why on Tamriel would they implement such a system?!

Does that not mean you are forever stuck with the guilds you make, even if they are either failed attempt or test or just for their name? Every guild you make would reduce your guild count by one up to five, the maximum, and then you can never join any other guilds for the rest of your ESO life! Account-wide, no less!

Makes no sense.

If their intent is reputational, social systems and strong guild control systems are proven to already take care of guild ninjas in every single MMO, even without the ridiculous visibility of your account login to everyone in ESO (completely different from most MMOs due to security and RPG reasons). If they wanted to support reputational risk around guilds directly in game, then at most there should be Guild History visible to others, e.g. by Friend, or Guild recruitment.

This is a disaster if true...