Only way I see it happening is them being modded in by/for PC players. I don't see Bethesda putting them in.

Ready, Steady, GO
:flamethrower:

Technology in TES was either sort of gimmick, or powered by magick (how you suggested)
After playing Arcanum, I realized there could some sort of weapon in TES, that uses salts as ammo (fire>flamethrower. frost>freazer. void>tesla gun), and I doubt that it would violate lore much.
But having such weapon in TES, just seemed wrong, especially when we already have staffs- I just hope that we will be allowed to enchant our own this time.

My point is this:
What if there was a group of people who opposed the use of magic for religious reasons?
Such sect simply would not resort to any magic and thus would eventually develop guns.

That's the one and only instance where guns would be congruent with magic.

Who needs firearms when you can simply conjure up daedra to tear your foes apart. Or blast your enemies with fire, frost and shock spells.

Considering how dangerous Nirn is, especially after Empire fell, such community shouldn't survive for long.
Just one question- is alchemy considered as magick or not?

And here's my point: You don't know that they definitely would. Go with "could," and I'll accept that you've got a point- but it's also possible that their rejection of magic could carry with it a bias against other experimentation, leading them to not develop anything on their own but to use bows like the rest of Tamriel. :shrug:

Never! TES + Guns = Free Roaming CoD..... Or medieval Fallout...
Anyways!
Mehrunes Dagon with a minigun...........NO!
Sheogorath with a shotgun......NO!
Malacath with an AK-47...... NO!
NO! NO! NO!
NEVER! NOT IN A MILLION YEARS! NOT IN ANOTHER DIMESNION! NOT IN NIRN! NOT IN MUNDUS! NOT IN OBLIVION!
(Disengage capslock)
Let's settle this in a polite way,
Go die.
We have magic and bows. We have no need for guns.. OR science!

Hear Hear!!

I see your point.
I failed to mention i am basing this on a real life example. I know of a major religious group existing today worldwide who opposes magic in any way, form or shape and shuns away from interacting with anything even remotely associated with it.

But your point about refusing experimentation doesn't ring true.
Their refusal of magic would much more probably be based upon its divine/diabolic nature - as is the case with the real life example i have in mind - thus inappropriate for humans.
So they would be forced to develop ?natural?, mechanical means of self defense against those who do practice offensive magic. Probably leading to gun technology, i'd say.

I should add this is by no means a concern of mind. I really don't care for guns in SKyrim. I just think there could be a rationale behind them, unlike what some have suggested.

My question is still valid. Alchemy is considered as magick or chemistry (or mix of both)?

And TES+Guns (or more precisely- technology)= Arcanum (not CoD- CoD isn't RPG by any standards)

Following of the decline of the Imperial Empire, Tamriel is currently going through a terrible dark age. Technological advancement probably came to a complete stop two centuries ago. The Empire is no doubt trying to rebuild, and thus has pulled back it's forces to Cyrodiil.

You are a new poster, so I should go easy on you, but

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TES is and should continue to be a low-tech fantasy world.

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I suggest people read the forum rules; I can't actually say "re-read", since going by the replies I just deleted, people didn't read them in the first place.

If you aren't going to reply to the topic, don't post. If all you are going to say is "go die", don't post [unless you want a warning and posting ability suspension]. Posting pointless spam replies is not a good idea.

I don't think it would be good for the series; comparing it, it's simply medevil in comparison and fantasy world - not reality. Again, this isn't reality and we don't need guns to simulate anything that will try improve the game. The way weaponary works hasn't changed that much, bow's shoot pieces of steel, wood and other arrowhead materials into you that causes a permanent wound tract, stretches tissue and disrupts soft tissue. Modern projectiles have become "more advanced" but maintain the exact same function... to put a piece of lead, copper, whatever... into your body and cause maximum damage on the way and when they get to the vital organs.

I wouldn't like them to add it also because it wouldn't feed my hunger, it wouldn't do anything for me. I hated fallout's system for external ballistics, because there wasn't any! But that's fine for a fantasy game. Keep it that way because that's what it's players like. Keep Fallout as the Oblivion/Skyrim with guns and Skyrim for true role playing medevil fantasy. Keep it simple, because that's what people want in a way - but keep it out of this planet. No M16, no M4, no modern day weaponary.

Thank you, people don't understand that here we are discussing possibilities of firearms in Nirn. Why they could or why they couldn't exist.
Not why someone should die.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31g0YE61PLQ

Well, since you it is said that you can already dual-wield two staves at once, so why bother, eh? (But no dual-wield shield? What a travesty! lol)


Actually, the Redguard people are said to be wary of magic usage in general, especially the ones that tampers with the soul and the Daedric entities, as well as those that manipulates one's consciousness and free will... But then again, they're more likely to cut and slash you to pieces up close and personal rather than to shoot you from afar (both by their blades and their snarky tongues).

Hmm...after several topics on this I've noticed a general trend within TES community's response to a "guns" thread. So, I decided to make a crude comic on it.

http://oi54.tinypic.com/uribc.jpg
(Note: all instances and characters are fictional and any similarities to real world personalities is unintended.)

Also, to add to the discussion, I'm against the inclusion of guns in Skyrim.

I'd hope not.
Especially when you consider that if it was implemented then the next elder scrolls would need to improve on it and there would be even more guns. It would make me sad, leave guns to Fallout, a universe where it fits.

Actually funny

But 90% are against firearms in TES, 9% don't care, and only 1% want to see guns in TES
So relax.
We are only discussing reasons behind don't having or having guns.
Current status
Magick>>>Technology

Uhh, no guns please...

How would BGS adding something to THEIR franchise be "lore breaking"? If they want guns to be in TES, then the only thing you can do is take it or leave it.


Plus, Steam powered pressure cannon... just saying.

The combat could be improved as is. Guns would be an addition which would cause the developers numerous problems while trying to balance.

Plus, the invention of the aquebus lead to the invention of the assault rifle 400 years later. Include the muskets you refer to in Skyrim, and by TES VI we could be playing The Elder Scrolls: Call of Duty, a game which I think would probably not be appreciated by most of the members of this forum.

No guns. Go play CoD.

NOAP.