No guns please. If you want guns in a rpg game, go and Fallout3 or New Vegas not it Skyrim. ALL I want is bows and arrows, sword and shield, blunt and magic to attack with.

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Exactly and guns are stronger than bows. Not everyone can learn magic and it takes a lot of work and can backfire. Some people would surely prefer guns. I don't understand why so many people are against it. I think this is a very historically accurate idea. And if implemented right it could be very good.

Muskets? No!

Gatling Lasers and Alien Blasters are where it's at. Who agrees? :gun:

Maybe like 2000 years down the ES timeline but not yet It would be fun to see a futuristic ES game.

Except that there is.

If there's a warrior who needs to cast a strong magical fireball in a pinch, he can't spend many years of his life learning it. He can pull out his fireball shooter and pull the trigger. It's like crossbow vs bow, except that magic is probably even more difficult to learn than a bow.

Ideally the magical guns don't scale to level. They do a set amount of damage based on how good of a weapon they are. They're similar to crossbows, but can do a much wider array of things, like being flamethrowers. It's user friendly, streamlined magic.

If you look at early guns, they were extremely cumbersome (early muskets took well over half a minute to reload) the bow was much more efficient than any of them. And since anyone in the Elder Scrolls universe can learn magic, there is no reason to create a cumbersome, temperamental weapon when there are more efficient options available.

They don't fit the TES universe, period.

Those two hundred years were kinda Dark Age-ish though. Ya know, no ruler, government trying to hold together, and to finish it off we're in a part of the world that isn't that big on tech. I'm not saying tecknology doesn't advance, I'm saying when anyone can use a staff that makes you almost as good as any master mage, there isn't much of a point to sling metal rocks at each other. Besides, arrows can be enchanted along with the bows.

The reason there are inventions is because there is a need for something better. Why make a gun that has a hard time hitting anything when you can pick people's heads off with an enchanted bow and arrows? There would need to be a reason for the improvement. Human's came up with guns. Now, what would we have come up with if we could enchant our equipment? That's the route we should take. TES shouldn't follow our time line just because that's all we can go off of, it should follow its own now.

Skyrim is low tech = no guns = end of story.
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There is no reason to put serious thought into it every time, when the same topic is created every other day.

This is a flaw in game mechanics, though.

I just thought. How about a water pistol to shoot holy water at vampires? If not, at least it could be bottled from a chapel and thrown at them.

There is nothing historical about TES...

Who is going to make these guns? All the inventors in TES are mages. Plus, muskets were designed for war, not personal use. No kingdom would invest resources in guns, when they have bows and can hire mages.

Guns don't belong in TES, I'd be sad the day BGS caves and puts them in.

I agree, but I'm sure at some point they will develop guns. Mages will keep advancing their magic. So non magic users would be at a huge disadvantage. I'm not saying that it should follow realities timeline exactly, but if the story keeps going further and further into the future (especially by a couple hundred year gaps), then eventually there should be guns.

No. No it would not.

Nirn is not Earth-in-the-past. Even saying it's loosely based on medieval culture is a big stretch because it really isn't. Yeah, there's armor and swords and that's about it. Guns are not "futuristic." It's not the natural next step. Magic throws everything technologically off its course. There's no sense in having guns when there are bows and arrows and fireballs. Crossbows, yeah. Guns? No.

This idea of "futuristic" is absolutely ridiculous in the Elder Scrolls universe. It is NOTHING like our universe. It runs on extremely different rules.

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well no, muskets svcked, you couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with one. I would like crossbows tho.

about the staffs, i think they should lessen the amount of magicka you need for a spell, or increase its power...or you could use them to club people to death

Yea but as time goes by technology progresses. Not everyone uses magic, and guns make a lot of sense as time goes by for several hundred years. People are not going to use bows and swords forever.

I know Bethesda won't put guns in any Elder Scrolls game. That's the way it should be. There are plenty of companies who do stuff like this thinking: "Hey, it'll make a fresh change, and it'll seem like a natural progression!"
Bethesda is smarter than those companies. Guns really changed Fable. I never had much chance to play the first one, but I know it was much more medieval-ish than the others and guns ruined that.

Exactly. But you don't make those rules, and just because it runs on different rules doesn't mean that guns cannot exist. They may be invented in a different way entirely, but they can still be there. Or they may be invented in the same way and still be there. The point is that we don't know. It's a fantasy universe, and anything can happen.
Just because you don't like the idea of guns doesn't mean that they're not feasible in the TES universe. Besides, if Bethesda was able to retcon stuff for Oblivion, they can do it for Skyrim, too.

However, the people in TES have stayed pretty much technologically static for several thousand years now.

Well, they should take it in a different direction than our traditional guns. Change the staff into "guns". Something say that can collect magic, and then shoot it out the tip. When people say they want our guns, the threads are going to end up just like this one. Now, if they actually made a case for guns, and worked it in a way that would fit with TES, then people may actually think about it.

TES is one of the few fantasy, first person, open world game series out there. Why would you want to ruin it by adding guns? It would *completely* change the feeling of the ES universe. I'm going to assume for the sake of my own sanity that these gun nuts are merely trolls and not trying to destroy the series I've been following for a decade.

Again, you're assuming the rules of OUR universe, where magic does not exist.

In TES, magic negates the need for technology. Magic can do pretty much anything, and ANYONE who wants to learn it can simply stop by the Mages' guild (or College of Whispers, or whatever its equivalent is in Skyrim.)

Okay, after reading some other posts I want to say one more thing:
Guns would CHANGE the Elder Scrolls world!! Seriously!! That's not a good thing here! I like this the way it is! Middle Aged, sword and axe slinging, magic shooting, arrow sniping, MEDIEVAL RPG BATTLES!!! That's the Elder Scrolls. ELDER Scrolls. Not Modern-Day-Look-We-Have-Guns-Too-Fable Scrolls