Fixed that one for you.

There are a few races...redguards...who thougth magic was evil. That's why they got cannons. Wouldn't be to much of a stretch to give them smaller hand held cannons either, if they really wanted to push that no magic mumbo jumbo.

Magic doesn't take the place of advanced technology. Magic shifts the path technology would advance. They don't need guns cause they have staves. But staves could be upgraded to be held like a gun to increase accuracy.

I said in my post that I don't really care if they add guns or not. I got staves. But adding them wouldn't hurt either. We all ready got something more powerful, so its not like they would throw the ballance of the game off tilter. I'd probably rather have a crossbow, but in the end they are the same thing. Be it a bolt or a bullet, its a gun at heart. Adding a gun or a crossbow would just be a way for a warrior type who doesn't want to train to be able to shoot a bow to be able to hit targets at a long distance. It wouldn't hurt anything. Bows would still be the best long range skill weapon, and staves would still be the best non skill ranged weapon.

I guess I don't see why guns are so horrible, but a repeating crossbow would be okay. One shot every minute or so as you reload would kill the game, but an arrow varient of a chaingun would be okay?

I salute you sir, finally a decent use for statistics.

My opinion,
want swords and spells, play TES,
want guns ( you still get swords ), play Fallout.

Fallout? Fable should be there too.

I want to punch anyone who wants guns in TES.

There's no reason to. It would need to be very effective, but those early industrial one-pellet hand cannons were not. You want a gun that fires one bullet every minute, and is incredibly inaccurate? Use magic instead, it's just as deadly but there's no lack of effectiveness like with a gun.

Face it, gun nuts, there's no reason for guns in TES. It's a separate world with a different history. We invented guns because we needed a deadlier weapon for long range combat, Tamriel does not. They don't need to spend all that time researching how to make a metal pellet fly across the air because they can summon up a fireball to do the same thing much easier.

Also irl I am a gun nut, my family owns two hand guns and my brother and I each own a rifle. I love shooting guns and i love guns, but not in TES.

haha

Or cannons are a fairly isolated event in TES history (restricted to Redguard). I believe most ships don't even carry them anymore, because they would all sink, or the cannons would melt down. I forget where I read that, but it's probably in the IL.

And besides, redguards reflect their disdain for magic in their own affinities for melee combat. They're so good at it, because they don't use magic.

Who said anything about an arrow chaingun? :confused:

Big yes to guns. Gods, highest time for something new in the series! I, for one, am immensely happy to FINALLY see firearms in the game, both as a player and a modder (wheeee, potential-sense is tingling). I hope guns aren't the only pleasant innovation they're planning on implementing.

And as for the whiners, I can't understand the antagonism. The game must evolve and the same goes for the setting. Personally, I've already played one (disappointing) copy-paste of Morrowind and am now eagerly awaiting some freshness. Otherwise there's going to be Oblibian all over again. Been there, done that, died of boredom.

Oblibian... :lmao:
Heh...sorry...

Uh, firearms aren't in the game.
No one said they were.
Skyrim is less technologically developed than Oblivion, so it wouldn't even make sense anyway...
But, by all means, mod it in if you want...

What?
The 11th Century is "early industrial"?
Hand cannons weren't effective at all in long range at all. Their purpose was to penetrate armor at close range.. basically shoot, hurt, then clobber with the spike attached to the hand cannon.

And then again, why bother making metal armor, arrows, swords, axes, etc. if you have magic?

If your opinion is that you wouldn't like to see something that shoots a projectile with the assistance of powder in the agme, ok, fine, but trying to rationalize it with that argument, doesn't work.

That other forum wasn't Minecraft by chance was it? That's another one on which it keeps coming up, over and over, in spite of the fact that Notch said, absolutely, "NO."

This is how gun threads go here - the majority of people oppose guns in the game. The VAST majority. But there's a handful of... well... I'd say creepily obsessed posters who just won't let it go and keep coming back, over and over, assembling whatever arguments they might pull together, all in a desperate bid to include something in the games that the VAST majority of the players, and the developers, don't want.

The oddest thing about it, to me, is that those few posters never seem to understand that their creepy obsession with putting guns in the game is a good chunk of the reason that so many other people reflexively oppose them - they never seem to realize how transparent their motives, and the creepiness of their obsession, are. My favorite is when they come to the point, generally when arguing the criticism that guns would unbalance the game, of saying that they should be so hideously expensive, slow, bulky, unreliable and inaccurate that they couldn't possibly unbalance the game. They don't seem to understand that that just makes it that much more clear that they're not even interested in guns from a strategic standpoint. If they're willing to settle for guns that are inferior to other weapons in pretty much every way, then obviously the whole point is simply to include GUNS. :drool:

Makes my skin crawl.....

I think you need to check the dosage on your medications, sparky- nobody's announced anything about there being guns in Skyrim except the few obsessives who just can't let go of how "kewl" it would be to have them.

Go on with your "Hurray, we finally get guns" but don't be surprised when the reality that they're not in the game slaps you upside the head.

BGS has made it clear they have no interest in guns, no point in arguing for their inclusion.

lol I read his post and was like... wait what?

I've seen a fair few threads about this, but never looked at it this way. Weird indeed.
I'm in the "hell no" camp, obviously. There's absolutely no need, and I'm sure all the reasons against have already been mentioned here.

FIRST OF ALL, if anything, it's the other way around. Meaning Oblivion is NOT just Fallout without guns, but rather, Fallout is Oblivion with guns, as some have said. But beyond that, should Skyrim have guns? No. Absolutely not. Good god, that really might be a deal breaker for me, and I'm a huge fan. I can't imagine them working guns into the world of TES, without ruining it. The closest thing to guns that I can imagine fitting well into Skyrim would be crossbows.

No, Guns would be dumb.

Nah, I didn't even care to check. Just thought that since there's so much fuss over the matter, there must be something to it.

Its in the IL, somewhere. At any rate, there isn't going to be guns. It doesn't really but me, because like both you and I said with staves there is no need for em. I just don't think they'd really hurt that much if they were added. But they won't be, we would have known about them by now if they were in.

But Staves and other magical items could evolve and become more advanced, even with magic around. I'm sure some kinds of wood would make better staves than other kinds. Tree farming could become profitable if the mages guild doesn't monopolize the trees staves can be made out of. Society could advance like that, even with magic.

As for the chain gun, it was an exageration on my part only to prove a point, someone said that a few pages ago.

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:shrug: Doesn't make a lick of sense to me. Guns would be bad, but a crossbow that could hold up to say 5 or 6 rounds and could fire pretty rapidly with a pump action would be okay? I don't really see why. With staves, you don't even need a crossbow. So if because of staves we don't need guns, by that logic they could get rid of bows and crossbows along with not haveing guns. I really don't see a reason not to have a gun.

There will be no guns in any sense. No 'hand-cannons,' no M16's. Personally I'd like to see good archery first.

And I hope they don't pull this huge time jump in TES VI either, and just do two years ahead. Nobody would be saying "MAYBE DEY INVENTED A GAS POWERED MACHINE GUN IN DEM TOW YEARS!!"

But no, Bethesda HAD to go 200 years into the future and give hope to those who can't handle it.

Really...NO!

Oh no what have i done!?!

EDIT: Problem Fixed

I want a dragon shout that summons a bazooka. It could be used to repel those pesky dragons and wolves that keep bothering us. And at the end of the game, I want to shoot a nuke at Alduin that punches another hole into aetherius thus bringing about the apocalypse.

Guns don't kill people... Ergo, there is no reason to include them. And now, even though I kind of dislike them, I will dare one of these:

/thread

Mhm... It still hasn't been explained to me why people here feel so strongly about this issue. Please, do indulge my curiosity.

I'd like to see guns, because they look cool, go 'boom' and that's fun. Should the rumour I've heard turn out to be false, I probably won't care that much, The opponents of the possibility, however, sound as if the fate of the world depended on it. What's the reason?