I would like to see no guns in TES V.

True and i apologize for keeping it going so plz continue the descussion thread

The TES International Anthem,
By Zalphon the Dunmeri Knight

"Oh say can you see by the dawn's early light,
What we proudly hailed on Twilight's Gleaming,
Whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly gleaming,
And the fireball's red glare, the guns bursting in air,
Gave proof that guns were not there,
O! Say does that gun-free spangled banner yet wave,
O'er the home of the gun-free and the brave!

by the heated arguements

Anyway, I've already proposed a system for how rifle shaped weaponry could function on a magical basis.

Clearly does not live in the real world...

the message came out semi-done...

you know, its kinda wordy to recite.

I am not feeling like being stabbed I was just asking "Why not discuss about it ?". It's not that lore-killing (Yup, saw all those two-pages long paragraphs. If this is the answer for this simple issue, then hot-damn!) and definetly NOT that [censored] up like Doom + Mario.

I am ok when someone will disagree, but what about adding some flavour to the topic ? Reasons being told from ThatOneGuy or UnknownK ? I like to READ about your opinions, reasons and why it should/shouldn't be there. And not some 'NO-NO-NO-Spamming' pseudo-topic. It would be like people posting *Sniff* *Sniff* over and over again in the http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=1041798 topic. Now THAT would be the topic ya would like to see eh ?


To clarifiy few things. I am not really into guns in TES BUT it seemed as an interesting issue.

P.S.: Apologies for some grammar mistakes. Czechian writing.

Its a figure of speech. Its like a gut feeling when they know it is not right, hence the stab feeling. The second part is an exaggeration as to what might happen if TES gone down that road.


And again, its more of a gut-feeling into the topic. Right when the word "Gun" and "TES" is mix in, strong feeling tend to overcome the poster and Noooooo is created. That is why it happens ALOT in these topic involving guns. And if ya been reading my comments, there a shred of reason in there that mention as to why I rather not TES have Gun in it in the first place.

Yeah, that's how I would envision it, and I admit how awkward and problematic that seems. :shrug:

But then, if mortals are tricked into perceiving such a big illusion as the night sky by mortal mental stress and being physically unable to conceptualize and grasp the idea of infinite plane(t)s surrounded by void and rips in the fabric of Oblivion, then the idea of mortals being unable to conceptualize what is literally right in front of them isn't new, I guess.

EDIT: And really, while the "et'ada act as limitations on what mortals are capable of" is my personal belief, and I do think the sources I've cited and arguments I've made back it well enough, no true lore-scholar has ever looked over that hypothesis to either commend it or punch it full of holes. It might be an accurate statement. Or it might be utter drivel that someone like proweler or luagar or TWM could swipe away with a single post. I will say that I can think of nothing a mortal has created or done in TES that a god hasn't introduced into the world already in some way, shape, or form.

Potentially, though we might have seen it if it came from the Daedra (having explored SI and the Deadlands). It could certainly be possible, assuming of course that the gods neglected technology out of choice and not out of inexplicable inability.

The way I can envision it within my head, it has the chance to work.
But...there are sooooo many ways it can go wrong.

So...as when it comes to most things, when you have more to lose than to gain, I say no.

But what does "gut feeling" bring to the table? Already ThatOneGuy has provided incredibly valuable insight and information in his posts even though he just jumped in the thread relatively recently.

EDIT: I can say with a large amount of confidence, even without ThatOneGuy's posts, that the odds of actually seeing guns in TES are relatively slim. I could say that it's because we already have magic, but that's missing the mark. It's because magic and its relevance and availability to the player character, not just the existence of magic alone. We've also seen gamesas's replies to guns in the series: M'aiq the Liar. That alone shows they have no interest in implementing guns, at least not in the near or even far future, if ever they did come about. If TESV follows the trend that TESIII and TESIV did, it will take several years ahead of the sealing off of Oblivion. So the chance of guns actually showing up are incrediby slim, if the possibility is even there.

That said, I don't see what's wrong with some healthy argument into the possibility of guns, the potential (lack of) value of guns in TES, what having guns would entail, and how it would be, or would affect, lore. To just say "No, no, no", just because your gut tells you it's wrong, and to just slam down everyone who discusses the possibility, and in return bringing nothing to the table, is unproductive and unconducive to any and all potential intelligent discussion.

Its like this. The fans do not want them. The poll shown quite well how much Noooos there is to it, hence the gut feeling.


M'aiq replies to the assumption of Todd's "Everyone uses Bow and Arrow!" and not bother making animation for the other marksman weapon. Of course, the Dev can put gun in the game, but its more that there so much against it that make gun possible to exist; many people does not want gun to exist in TES, the lore practically make it near impossible for to it exist, the after event of the Oblivion Crisis make progress a hell lot harder, the time frame of actually making it available to the general public to "make sense", and actual tweaking the genre of the game just to make guns exist. This requires so much changes that I see it not worth adding guns into TES.


Because there not really an argument if something like this topic exist. No one want to see such topic exist and just answer no to it.

This pretty much sums up how I feel about adding guns in TES. It's not that it couldn't be done, it's just that, IMPO, I don't feel that guns fit the setting. Also, I agree with gpstr in that I don't see why anyone would want TES to become further homogenized. For people who enjoy FPS blended with RPG, there is Fallout (among others). For people who prefer more of a medieval sword-and-sorcery RPG, there is TES (among others). Adding guns to TES would just seem like a gimmick to draw more of the market and introduce them to the series (i.e. Bethesda). This is not even taking into consideration that it would be a big slap in the face to most of the die-hard fans of the series.

I sincerely hope you are joking.

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Your damn right I would take like a slap in the face and there would be reperations :flame: for ANYONE who suggests there should be any guns or gun affiliated things with TES. I would be one unhappy grouchy unhappy person.

EDIT: I down right refuse to play fable/fable 2 on the single fact it has guns and I resent it for that.

You know, we should start a fanclub called the 'No to TES Guns' Club

So speaking about the lore, in TES universe they practically can't research gunpowder even after...let's say... 2 milleniums ?? :huh:
Could somebody enlighten me please ?

This is mere speculation by ThatOneGuy, and not confirmed or validated by any means, so take it with a grain of salt.

Well since this is going down again i'll just say this here.

My only personal argument AGAINST guns would be that gamesas has a history of messing things up big time and they'd very likely do that with firearms too.
So before they totaly screw them up better don't attempt them.

I doubt such substance exist, or even know what to do with it.

No. There's already magic and ranged. Guns would ruin the feeling TES has, also.

Forgive me my second of nitpicking, but I would call it a lore-based hypothesis. Speculation indicates more of an informal grasp at straws without real proof or evidence or sources to prop it up. If you can argue against for your belief that mortals can outstrip the gods in potential, then by all means do so. But you need to provide sources or work around arguments already laid out. The lack of official confirmation or validation has nothing to do with its accuracy or not; most of the extraneous stuff we know or can guess about TES lore comes through http://www.imperial-library.info/fsg/ or rare phenomena (http://www.monkeytruth.net/) or unofficial http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/.

Not to say that my view is correct, but it seems incredibly redundant to say "take it with a grain of salt" when 1) discussions like this are intended to flesh out and give explanation to things not confirmed or validated, and 2) you are incapable of disproving it.

The chance of guns being in TES is as likely as Beth adding in-game advertising -- McDonalds, etc. Firearms won't be added, because 85% of people (from poll in August) said they don't want that.

So, it has been established that this is purely a hypothetical argument with no basis of really happening in future TES games by Beth. Until the polls show that a majority of people want firearms in TES, it simply will not happen.

Discuss it hypothetically related to lore, but know it will not be added into a game by Beth.

Could be cool, if done properly. As in, Renaissance-style firearms, and obviously not 'guns' as we know them. (And it would have to be something that had 'always been there', not some kind of 'kerazy new invention', in which case it would be lame.)

Think of the first firearm options in games like Medieval 2 Total War, more noisy and scary than actually precision projectile.


It would add to the unique feel of TES, and help keep away from the 'medieval Europe' generica of TES IV.

All I'm sayin' is, if Morrowind can have goggles, Skyrim can have primitive 'firearms'. Just adds to the sense of a lack of 'parallel history' which is too easy to fall into otherwise.

Hmm...