So do you think there should be guns in TES 5? Not modern ones or futureistic ones but really old like when guns were just invented. What do you guys think?

I say you better put on an asbestos suit...
I'm not against the subject but here on the forums this is pretty much a death sentence.

Guns? They don't belong in the world of tes games.

Anybody got a link to the 'darth vader no' if so please insert in your next reply.

*sigh* for the gazillionth time no, no, no, no, no, no...i can keep going

But seriously i don't know who mentioned this before, but it would be OK if there was one gun in the entire game, as an easter egg, with no ammo, at all, rendering it unusable

If you want reasons see one of the gazillion threads already opened on this topic.

(PS this is in no way, shape or form flaming, i just really like it when somebody opens one of these topics because it is a great way to relieve your energy by being all hyper about the idea )

I'd rather they aren't mainstreamed, unless we're a few hundred years after Oblivion, in which case, I can see it.
See, the world does evolve. In my mind. Some may argue that things just don't in the Elder Scrolls, to ensure it remains consistent.
I would, however, like for them to be "experiments" (not Dwemer things, mind you), made by competent scientists.
The Mages' Guild fears it could overthrow the power of magic, so they want the creators dead.
Still, I don't see how it wouldn't work.
With master shooters reloading the flintlock/musketesque weapons 6 times a minute, I'd say it would work!
May the flaming begin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vs2scuP0-yE

EDIT: Seriously though, there is no need for guns in TES as magic is a common thing.

It made sense in Fable because very few people could use magic making guns a nice alternative.

Just for quick info, I'd VERY gladly discuss the topic, however you pretty much don't get a achance because every attempt of discussion would be spaced by at least 3 "NOOOOO"s.

Thx i needed that

The last topic wasn't dead the last time it took place and look how well the poll turn out:
http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=1028741

Here's a thought; with how much the Mages' Guild tries to turn magic into a beauracracy, and with the fact that less than half the people, at least in Cyrodiil, can actually use magic, why not? Are we just dooming those of any given population in Tamriel who can't/don't use magic to be forever be archaic? Who's to say they won't research/develop such technology to have their own edge against those that do use magic? To say that guns dont have a place in TES because magic already exists doesn't make any sense. It's like hiking taxes just because some people are rich. It's a safe assumption to think that there will be guns or similar technology in the future of TES, unless some sort of cataclysmic event deters, halts, or even reverses progress (Fifth Era maybe? >.>). Whether or not such technology will exist in TESV will depend more on the placement of TESV on a general timeline as well as the length of any Eras from the Fourth to whichever Era TESV takes place in, rather than whether or not it would make sense in magic's context.

http://www.mgroves.com/images/do_not_want_star_wars.jpg

Stop this thread, it has been discussed to death and the main answer is ALWAYS NO!

I think a fatman would be a nice fit in TES universe. Just kidding.

Because there already weapons like a whole varies swords, daggers, spears, hammers, maces, bow and arrows, darts, enchanted items and other goodies that they can get their hands on with decent result; not to mention crossbows was already mass produced in artillery section of the Imperial Legion.

Timeline wise, its would be like that couple of years after the event of the previous Installment.

I'm sorry, I missed the point in your post where you told me why guns wouldn't be a viable advancement.

I'm also sorry if you're so bent on guns not being in TESV, you are more than welcome to your feelings, but you can't let it dictate a logical train of thought. Following your logic, humans on Earth never would/should have developed guns. There's nothing to say guns can't, shouldn't or won't be developed.

Not branching out. More of putting gimmick into the game because with might attract more people. And from what I assume, I rather not have THOSE kind of players into the franchise.


The advance part ya say? I put it in this way, its not. I doubt things and ideas will of forward in time when an event of no heir to the throne exist. I picture chaos and disorder in the future, not progress of ideas, not to mention that the concept of firearm even exist at all.

Might as well lock this one up. Anyone who's been around for the others already knows how it's going to turn out. :rolleyes:

A gimmick? If we follow this thought, everything in TES is a gimmick. Heck, who needs variety? Everyone gets a giant ass sword and a massive fireball spell. Problem solved.

You're exclusionary/elitist attitude is also kind of disturbing.

i dont think its a good idea its not like in fable 2 where magic was rare in oblivion it is more magic and goddish as in if it was reality i dont think a gun like in fable would kill a daedra crossbows on the other hand would be ok because they are more like bows and still archaic

Like I said before, there is already variety that exist in the series. Even more so if they revive the weapons they remove from the past installment. Not surprise ya assume that everyone run around with a "giant ass sword and a massive fireball spell" with the history post ya have.

In a way, I might have an elitist attitude, then again I might not, and then again, ya might just be messing around with me. ;P

Dude. Punctuation is your friend.

And on topic, I have no problems with a primitive gun with long reloads, poor accuracy at longer ranges, and high damage. I also think one of those pistol-sword weapons would be cool to implement.

My post history? I don't necessarily appreciate (unsupported) ad hominem in an argument especially since you still haven't brought anything substantial to the table aside from "There are already enough weapons, who needs technological advancement?".

And use up resource just to make a pea shooter that is really ineffective in any situation compare to the weak slash or flare? Naw.


The posts in Maiq the Liar went pretty well.

Aside from that, as been said many, many times in the past Gun Threads, gun just does not fit well into the atmosphere of a Sword and Magic RPG and in TES series in general.

I was thinking of a gun as rechargeable scroll. You get an opening shot and then you go to your main form of attack or in the case of the pistol-sword combo just going into melee after the shot.. I don't consider scrolls ineffective and so I don't consider the gun I described as ineffective.

I won't derail this thread in attempt to disprove you, especially since you missed my point altogether (in both M'aiq the Liar and the present thread).



Why don't they? You seem to be dodging the core point, why can't guns be in TES? There are (Sword and Magic) RPGs that have successfully implemented guns. And who said civilizations don't grow in particular to TES? Like I said, in the context of a world where those people that don't need magic might have to find other ways to gain an edge, guns would seem to fit in perfectly, unless your idea of guns is a bunch of people walking around with Desert Eagles, Berettas, and TMPs. I mean, I don't know about you, but I could easily see an Imperial Guard walking around with an arquebus.