Yeah..and the lunar lattice had a strange effect on their physiology. Could their mutation into more feline forms be another manifestation of the strange effects of Lorkhan's body on mortals?

What do you mean when you say Argonians are in line? In line with the Hist? Meaning they're incapable of cross breeding with Men or Mer? That's the impression I got.

#1) Depends on when the moons are waxing or waning
#2) It is mentioned on the notes about race breeding that argonians are incompatible with humans, mer, and most likely Khajiit.

I would think vampirism would be blood borne, and not be spread through the sperm to the child. Obviously the mother did not become a vampire by mating with one, so why would the child? I would think the traits Agronak picked up from his father were the traits of Lord Lovidicus's birth line, not vampire line. He is listed in the CS and WIKI as an Imperial, with vampirism as a faction.

Agronak's pale skin could easily have been from the Imperial bloodline combined with the Orc lines - diluted pigmentation; his lithe grace could have come from the Imperial line as well. I doubt vampirism is passed in the act of procreating.

You make good points, but, again assuming the same rules as real world science applies, I have a hypothesis. A sperm cell and egg cell are, compared to other human cells, half a cell. By comining, they make the full cell that is a zygote, which replicates etc. etc., you get it. Perhaps the half-cell of Lovidicus' sperm was not enough to give vampiric traits to the mother, but enough to give some of their strength, speed and physical traits to the child? I guess unless more half-vampires start being born, we won't know for sure. It would be easier, as well, if the fathering vampire was a redguard or Dunmer, to acertain where the paleness came from.

There are two possible interpretations of Elder Scrolls vampirism: that it's a blood-borne disease, or that vampires are truly undead. I prefer the latter interpretation, which we used to use in Loranna's Lore RP. But if vampirism is only another disease, it still seems likely to me that half-vampires like the Gray Prince are sterile from birth. It would explain why there aren't more half-vampires (as far as we know) -- they can't breed.

A sperm cell is a complete cell, just as an ova is they meet, mate, merge, then divide based on the codes within each that tell what should be dominent or recessive. There are no half cells involved in procreation. But if vampirism is just a faction, and he is listed as an Imperial, then what Lord Lovidicus donated to the mix would be his Imperial bloodlines (IMO). This can be proved because there are no "half vampires" in the game.

@ Syronj - I think what keeps the offspring of mixes between man and beast sterile is the differences in the skeletal structure and metabolism between the two races. - The Gray Prince was the spawn of a vampire, but not half vampire - BTW, I have been dying to read Loranna's Lore RP, Rumple was saying something about it last month - can it still be found on here?

I mean a cell with half the number of chromosomes, which may or may not even exist in TES. And as far as Lovidicus knew, vampires couldn't breed to begin with, and the CoC killed Agronak se he couldn't be tested. I guess this is a big, ananswered question.

Bolded - I haven't seen anywhere in that journal where he doubted his ability to breed, I saw something about that earlier in this thread too. Where does that come from? (that vampires can't breed) - I have not seen that anywhere.

Indeed, we just haven't seen a lot of vampires having the necessary relations in order to breed.

I may be misreading, but I get from this he didn't beleieve either he could have children at all or, maybe, humans and orcs could crossbreed.

That was the beast/man thing (IMO) - because of the rarity of offspring being produced by mixes between man and beast. On the sharing of the Dark Gift, it is possible that it means he wonders if he could pass his Gift through procreation, or it may mean he wants to offer it to the child later - I look at Janus Hassildor and Vicente - both of which offer you the gift and you have to accept it as a gift from them. (Unlike the disease borne that you are given with or without your permission by an attack - I have not seen this kind of vampirism referred to as the Dark Gift though).

Ah, and because he'd been around since long before orcs were considered equal to the humans and elves, he would still think of them as beastmen, right?

Thank god for that. Could you imagine an argonian/khajiiti half-breed? That would be the ugliest baby ever.

According to Lore they are considered to be part of the Bestiary.





It would look like my avatar, lol.

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Well they were, now they're basically really ugly elves. I'm just saying that for most of his life they were in the bestiary. Orcs have been accepted for maybe a few decades, he's been around for centuries. And at the time he had his affair, they'd been considered "people" and not "animals" for no more than twenty years at absolute most.

Then again, the lifespan of an orc is like what, 3 weeks?

Well it was them or the Nords.

I'm just going by his journal, which says Orc were still being vilified and that were it to come out he was in love with an Orc he would be ruined.

They were still vilified, yeah. "Not killed on sight" and "accepted as equals" may be related, but aren't completely concurrent, unfortunately.

"Not killed on sight" is totally different than "accepted as equals" - I think it means they found out what good warriors they were, and needed them to help their side in battle, lol. Just kidding.

As far as I can tell, that's pretty much how it went down, though.

Being the mother's race? I thought we were talking about Elder Scrolls, not Pok?mon

Vampirism isn't a disease as it is portrayed in the game. It is really a "divine effect", therefore, it isn't classified as such. Since it is able to be transferred through blood, it may be able to be passed from procreation.

Then again there is also the possibility of the actual mother being infected of vampirism while pregnant. Ever thought about that?

Where did you read this?

I have heard that a breed between Khajiit and another race, even if the Khajiit are man or woman, the child will be not Khajiit.

It's born from Molag Bal, so it is a divine effect. It's in that book in the "Vile Lair" DLC with the long name.

Never heard that second thing.