Half Breeds : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Wed Aug 25, 2010 6:34 pm

http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/notesracial.shtml text says that,

Generally the offspring bear the racial traits of the mother, though some traces of the father's race may also be present.

This has been taken to mean that crosses between races are always the mother's race. However, the word in the text is "Generally" and so is it possible for the child to be of the fther's race? or am I looking too deeply at this text?

» Wed Aug 25, 2010 9:14 pm

http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/notesracial.shtml text says that,

This has been taken to mean that crosses between races are always the mother's race. However, the word in the text is "Generally" and so is it possible for the child to be of the fther's race? or am I looking too deeply at this text?

You might be looking into it too much. "Generally" means here that a person has "generally" their mother's racial traits, but has some of the fathers. Like Empress Kitri-whatsit (spelling help, please!!) had a kid who looked like a Dunmer but, being a half-elf "aged like a Breton," if I remember the quote. it's awkwardly phrased, but I think that's what it means.

» Thu Aug 26, 2010 12:48 am

I do tend to look to deeply into lore ? can you try and get me the name of whatever that appeared in? it would probably be an interesting read.

» Wed Aug 25, 2010 6:18 pm

I do tend to look to deeply into lore ? can you try and get me the name of whatever that appeared in? it would probably be an interesting read.

I could be wrong, but I think it was brief history of the Empire. I'm cruising through Morrowind Books right now anyways, I'll double-check.

» Wed Aug 25, 2010 3:50 pm

Brief History of the Empire, Volume Two:

When Cassynder assumed the throne upon the death of his mother, he was already middle-aged. Only half Elven, he aged like a Breton. In fact, he had left the rule of Wayrest to his half-brother Uriel due to poor health. Nevertheless, as the only true blood relation of Pelagius and thus Tiber, he was pressed into accepting the throne. To no one's surprise, the Emperor Cassynder's reign did not last long. In two years he joined his predecessors in eternal slumber.

And yes, it is a good read.

» Wed Aug 25, 2010 11:00 pm

Umaril the Unfeathered was said to be born of a mortal mother and divine father, and he was pretty powerful. It seems that when the mother and father are of different subgradients, the result may be in between, subgradient-wise.

» Wed Aug 25, 2010 8:37 pm

You get half a mom and half a dad, to make a kido. Follow? So, whatever the race of the mom is, the number of chromosomes ain't gonna change. In other words, the kid could look like the mom, but he's always half his dad too (barring disorders). So, even if you don't find out the name of Kintarya's son (who was a nobody), I've armed you with truth. Go, and vanquish the heathen liars!

» Thu Aug 26, 2010 7:06 am

Umaril the Unfeathered was said to be born of a mortal mother and divine father, and he was pretty powerful. It seems that when the mother and father are of different subgradients, the result may be in between, subgradient-wise.

Well, I think the rules are different when you throw divine beings in. So yeah, subgradiently-speaking it does seem to have strange effects, probably because the offspring would exist on two planes of existence at once.

» Wed Aug 25, 2010 6:30 pm

Well, I think the rules are different when you throw divine beings in. So yeah, subgradiently-speaking it does seem to have strange effects, probably because the offspring would exist on two planes of existence at once.

I guess one of them was high above White gold tower

» Wed Aug 25, 2010 9:54 pm

The whole divine/mortal debate aside, the offspring of a mixed marriage or sixual encounter will usually turn out to resemble the mother but after many generations of mixing their appearance will start to become a blend of traits from both races. Look at Bretons for instance. They have the slight build of an Altmer but the height and complexion of a Nede, with rounded ears. (the Reachmen are a possible exception, with some accounts describing them more elf like)

» Wed Aug 25, 2010 9:59 pm

It is also implied that the Grey Prince's success in the Arena is because his father was a vampire. Vampires tend to be stronger and faster than mortals.

» Thu Aug 26, 2010 12:32 am

It is also implied that the Grey Prince's success in the Arena is because his father was a vampire. Vampires tend to be stronger and faster than mortals.

Where is it implied? Can Vampires even procreate? I assumed his father was with his mother before he ever became a Vampire. I thought the person lost several bodily functions when they became a vampire? I always figured he was just a naturally talented warrior. I figured the pale skin came from being part Imperial more than being part Vampire.

» Thu Aug 26, 2010 2:54 am

Where is it implied? Can Vampires even procreate? I assumed his father was with his mother before he ever became a Vampire. I thought the person lost several bodily functions when they became a vampire? I always figured he was just a naturally talented warrior. I figured the pale skin came from being part Imperial more than being part Vampire.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Journal_of_the_Lord_Lovidicus seems to say that he was hiding his vampirism before he fell in love. And in TES, it doesn't seem like vampirism impairs most bodily functions. Or maybe Cyrodiilic vampirism is related to or derived from the variety of vampirism that the Tsaesci, who did reproduce, had.

Also, Agronak is horrified, considering himself a monster. And even before that, Owyn mentions that that Agronak is too good to be part human, although he had no idea of what the truth was.

» Wed Aug 25, 2010 6:11 pm

Well....alright then. It's been a while since I played that quest. It would appear you're correct. Still, would those vampiric traits be passed down to the offspring? He obviously doesn't suffer from sun damage or anything.

» Thu Aug 26, 2010 5:04 am

Well....alright then. It's been a while since I played that quest. It would appear you're correct. Still, would those vampiric traits be passed down to the offspring? He obviously doesn't suffer from sun damage or anything.

Perhaps it was like with the more common mortal-mortal cases where the offspring is the mother's race but exhibits some traits of features of the father. But not all of them.

» Thu Aug 26, 2010 8:01 am

Perhaps it was like with the more common mortal-mortal cases where the offspring is the mother's race but exhibits some traits of features of the father. But not all of them.

So what..maybe he inherited some of the Vampire's increased strength and speed but maybe not all of it? Enough to put him at an advantage over most mortal foes? I can kinda buy that. Combined the the natural racial bonuses of the Orc, and their Berserker rage, I could see how a half vampire could tear through most opponents.

» Thu Aug 26, 2010 12:21 am

When a half breed is born they take the appearance from their mother but can take part of there appearance from their father, but I think that they take most of their attributes from there father and less from their mother. I'll give an example:

Nord Male + Dark Elf Female=Timmy (example name)

Timmy has light blue skin and human eyes, he has big resistance to frost but a small resistance to fire (but still larger than any regular human). He is good with some spells but is very strong and goes hunting a lot with his dad.

That's what I think a regular Nord-Dark Elf offspring would be like, looks mostly like mother but has more of the father attributes then the mothers

» Thu Aug 26, 2010 4:31 am

Well....alright then. It's been a while since I played that quest. It would appear you're correct. Still, would those vampiric traits be passed down to the offspring? He obviously doesn't suffer from sun damage or anything.

I wonder if he was a type of "mule" (another word for sterile). Even though the Gray Prince's vampiric father was able to breed, maybe his son wasn't.

And I'm spending too much time on this subject.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mule

» Thu Aug 26, 2010 1:14 am

I don't actually remember the Grey Prince ever being in a relationship, so we can't rule out if he was sterile or not.

» Wed Aug 25, 2010 8:18 pm

So what..maybe he inherited some of the Vampire's increased strength and speed but maybe not all of it? Enough to put him at an advantage over most mortal foes? I can kinda buy that. Combined the the natural racial bonuses of the Orc, and their Berserker rage, I could see how a half vampire could tear through most opponents.

That's what I always assumed.

I actually wonder about species, temporarily setting aside the vampire debate. Mostly because of Bretons, who are basically multi-generational half-elves. In the real world, the certain way to determine if two things are the same species is if they can produce fertile offspring. Elves and humans clearly can, but do the same rules apply? This is a created fantasy world, after all, so there's no guarantees whether our science is their science. Now, back to vampires, we'd need to have Agronak get laid to tell for sure, then.

» Thu Aug 26, 2010 3:42 am

Well, they are both descended from the Ehlnofey, right?

» Wed Aug 25, 2010 7:48 pm

Think about Morgiah and the King of Firsthold.

Morgiah is Dunmer, and the kids look like Dunmer.

» Thu Aug 26, 2010 3:27 am

Yes, but I'd imagine they'd be taller than a regular Dunmer (though perhaps not as tall as an altmer). Was their father a High-Elf, btw? I can't remember at the moment.

» Wed Aug 25, 2010 10:58 pm

That's what I always assumed.

I actually wonder about species, temporarily setting aside the vampire debate. Mostly because of Bretons, who are basically multi-generational half-elves. In the real world, the certain way to determine if two things are the same species is if they can produce fertile offspring. Elves and humans clearly can, but do the same rules apply? This is a created fantasy world, after all, so there's no guarantees whether our science is their science. Now, back to vampires, we'd need to have Agronak get laid to tell for sure, then.

Elves and Humans both descended from the Ehlnofey or the et-Ada though, correct? Only certain species like Argonians and possibly the Akavir races would not be able to interbreed with Humans or Elves. Khajiit, I am not sure about.

» Wed Aug 25, 2010 8:32 pm

Elves and Humans both descended from the Ehlnofey or the et-Ada though, correct? Only certain species like Argonians and possibly the Akavir races would not be able to interbreed with Humans or Elves. Khajiit, I am not sure about.

Elves and Humans are both from the Ehlnofey, while the Hist were spectators (and thus, I'd say Argonians are in-line with this too). Khajiit were once elves, but Azura kept their form stable during that nasty time when things kept changing their form constantly by binding them to the lunar lattice.