Actually, we do. I don't know if you read any of the books in Morrowind or Oblivion (I wish I could recall the specific books), but the Khajiit actually do. The first time I heard of any, may have been in Morrowind, I'm not sure.

Anyways, here. :deal:

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Khajiit

The last paragraph in Society folks.
I hope you didn't take offense, just pointing this out.

Maybe they'll employ these in-game as perks. That would be cool.
Have fun everybody. :wavey:

I think an overhaul to the H2H system would be awsome. I dont want it to be a primary combat ability but instead turn it into more of a grappling ability. So that while you got a one handed wepon in hand and nothing in the other you can tackle an enamy to knock them down and the finish them with a, sword, dagger, axe, or whetever else you have. Or say you get disarmed instead of equiping a new wepon or fumbling around for you old one you get in so close the enamy cant use there wepon against you and do things like put the full weight of your body into a strike from your elbow and crush thier windpipe. Basicly I want H2H to be a brutal mano a mano combat used for when you have no other way of defending yourself, somwhat akin to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pankration.

Edit: As you may have guessed I have no idea what I'm talking about when it comes to martial arts.

Besides, Pete already implied it was in when asked if it was on Twitter. He basically said what you just said. "You think that we've got all these great mechanics, but nope, not gonna let you punch people."

I want improved hand-to-hand but keeping the moves basic. No fancy pants stuff like flying dragon kicks or double fist punches. I would like grabbing/clinching and knees or even elbows, and also to be able to still use some hand-to-hand moves when holding a weapon.

Also the moves should be dependent on race, with a difference especially for beast races.

I'd love to FALCON-KICK with my ickle khajiit paws. Would be epic.

"feet are for walking hands are for hitting or waving sometimes clapping"

I do hope H2H is a viable option, with more varied moves and stuff. I'd pick it over marksman in any case.

"Kicking!!!!! I wanna do some kicking!!!!!!"

Yes I really hope they do. That would be nice. It was like your legs weren't really a big part of your body in either morrowind or oblivion. It woud be neat to see what they do!

Kicking would be cool, but I don't think it will go in. It wouldn't really introduce a new mechanic, as it would probably just be a more powerful/slower punch, so there's not much substance to adding it.

But, yeah, it would be cool.

2 triggers
4 direction options+one of the triggers (like the power moves in oblivion)
4 direction options+both triggers

that's 14 options assuming both triggers at the same time is block for all styles of gameplay. seriously doubt h2h wont be implemented in a great way, it is obviously possible to do control wise.

But does it have perks?

Who cares if you can punch if it does jack [censored].

With locational damage it could have more uses, and kicks can be done from further away. Against rats or mudcrabs it could also be useful, with low kicks, unless you can still hit them without actually touching them, but it all depends on how combat is. I'm not sure if there's still going to be mudcrabs either but I'm just using them as examples for little critters.

You know what? I've spent my own fair share in plate as well. Re-enactment does not qualify anyone to speak about the realities of combat; no amount of SCA LARPING can put anyone in the proper perspective of a fully trained knight who has spent YEARS getting himself used to moving in plate. If a fully armoured and armed individual gets taken down by someone with no armor and no weapons to speak of, all that tells you is that the armoured fighter was too green and too inexperienced to use his tools effectively.

Sorry, but the unarmored opponent would not stand a chance at all. The armed knight would be able to counter any hand-to-hand techniques with his own, not to mention be able to take blows more effectively.

I would be satisfied with an overhauled Fallout 3/New Vegas style of H2H. All in all it just entails a different animation and a different result if you land it. I'd want locational damage as well as more animations, varieties, special moves or quest related moves, given as a reward etc. Lots of role-playing potential the more you invest into its depth.

I would like to see h2h in the vein of the game Breakdown for the old xbox. I always liked how the first person hand to hand fighting look in that game, would be cool to see a revamped version of it.

Yeah I agree. It would be really awesome to see some Chuck Norris-esqe H2H fini- ALL HAIL HYPNO TOAD!

No, but you know why? Because they've never overhauled the hand to hand system to include kicks, finishers and the like. And like Hypno Toad said, all the momentum and weight of a person on a small fulcrum such as a foot, all being channeled from the assailants foot to the victims face...that's a hell of a headache. On a post I made related to this, somebody said maybe they'll change hand to hand (as they're changing a lot of skills (one handed/two handed weapons over blade or blunt)) into Martial Arts, with hand to hand and foot to face, but also with things like staffs or nun-chucks.

It would be nice if hand-to-hand was overhauled to include techniques besides punching them to death. I'd also like to see dropkicks implemented.

Good thing we got a modder like Skycaptain then. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJRtwkmgptQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ax9U_07t0lY

There is a race in TES that uses Martial Arts, the Khajiit. It's called the "Rain of Sands" fighting style. I think a few of the Hand-To-Hand Training Books in Oblivion mention it.

It would be pretty awesome if the beast races could use their claws/tails in H2H combat. Like the Argonian can whip his tail around your neck and choke you with it, or if he's strong enough, snap your neck with it. I don't think the Khajiit tail would be strong enough to do that, but they got claws like the Argonians do. Would be cool to see a disembowel finisher with H2H with a beast race.

When did everyone here become a martial arts expert?

I'd love a more in depth hand to hand combat system, I would absolutely love it. I'm not going to cry rivers if I don't see it though.

Aaaah, but man it would be sweet.

The only times I've seen someone killed (or badly hurt) by "hand to hand" it has not been about punches, kicks, Tai kicks or Whilrwind tornado super hyper mega boost kicks. It has been literally two men (or women) using every part of their body as a destructive force against the other. And in the brutal world of skyrim I'd like to see nothing less.

In real world, danger of death violence, I imagine it is very very rare that skill or technique has anything to do with it, and confidence and power play a much more significant role. Now I have seen videos of people beaten to death (not through my own doing, but thats another story) so I cannot claim to know what it looks like fully, I.E I have never witnessed murder. However I grew up in a rough part of North West England and I've seen people hospitalized. I would be offended for the people I've seen hurt if people passed off your "super battle charge power kick supreme" martial arts moves as something remotly dangerous in a real life situation. Just imagine yourself there, some grotty, unwatched road in England, the street light dying everything orange and the wind blowing in your face so you can't hear what people are shouting. And then this person is coming towards you, shaved head and bleary, shouting, hands ready, and within two seconds his fists, knees, forhead, elbows and feet are all battering you. You don't have TIME to look for openings and plan your attack, or adopt your stance or charge your karmay harmay haaa or whatever it is you people are talking about- you just have to bite, grab, beat back at him before your on the floor with 3 people jumping on your head to see what noise it makes.

phew. Rant over.

I guess my point was- I'd like to see realistic combat in Skyrim. I want to feel threatend and afraid, not slightly amused...

No. This isn't Gears of War.

Whats gears of war got to do with anything? 0_o

Beast races should get a racial special! tail rake!