I distinctly recall reading that hand-to-hand combat would be in, but it wouldn't be its own skill, kind of like how daggers are governed by the Sneak skill. Which skill would hand-to-hand be governed? Two-Handed, Sneak?

The non-lethal bar brawls that were mentioned in an interview point at hand-to-hand combat, because bar brawls always have fisticuffs in other media.

Bethesda's love of hand-to-hand combat persists even in Fallout 3, so why not Skyrim?

From an Elder Scrolls lore perspective, it doesn't make sense not to have it, sense Khajiit prefer fighting hand-to-hand over other forms of melee combat.

Long story short, the not-knowing is driving me crazy, because let's face it, everyone at some point will want to know if they can kill a dragon by using a chokehold or breaking his neck with uber-strength alone.

Hand to hand is still in the game lol its just not a skill anymore.

They got caught up it the whole six skills to every archetype and ran out of skills. :shrug:

It's likely hand to hand only causes fatigue damage, so wouldn't expect to see a dragon passing out any time soon.

Yeah for me it's stupid to remove hand to hand skill and it's even more stupid if there is no strength and agility in game. :brokencomputer:

Fist fighting in many cases looks much more cooler and is more effective than using weapons (not speaking about the elder scrolls, in real world)

Bethesda loved H2H in Fo3? aside from the paralyzing palm perk Im going to have to disagree, personally I've no idea about those who play with such style as to only use fists but from my standpoint it was uselss and convoluted with the Bumkin style swinging that had next to 0 reach. atleast in NVM that was drastically improved with Perks that made it useful, and with some anim mods made it perfectly viable.


In Skyrim if there is no H2H Skill and no perks because of it, no strenght attribute to make it hurt more. in what way is it going to be useful? theres no excuse for it not being a skill anymore when PICKPOCKETING is a skill again... tis like a slap in the Face for those who played Daggerfall.

It will still be in the game, I could care less, though. A TES game isnt made for a strictly hand-to-hand fighter. Combat like that would get boring quick, and its unrealistic. How could you expect to defeat some of the huge creatures that will be in Skyrim with just your bare hands?

No its made for OPTIONS.

Well seeing as strength and other attributes have been removed... You get to try to snap a dragons neck with skills and perks!

Why, it was ever useful?

You can still use it in Tavern Brawls.

What you said is true.. Khajiit are supposed to prefer fighting with their hands. I guess the kitty no longer has claws.

OPTIONS, you say? Ok I can understand that, but realistically you would have no chance defeating any of the larger wildlife creatures found throughout Skyrim. H2H combat is really only useful for fighting against bandits and very small creatures, like rats or mudcrabs.

So you will no longer be able to kill with hand-to-hand? Only a knockout?

I "Tavern Brawl" in Oblivion, I don't find it interesting and find it hard to believe people recount this as a feature constantly.


You could only use it against small creatures? pfft I decked Goblins and disarmed Bandits with my fists of fury, and again I said OPTIONS who cares how you or I use it, as long as we can use it -Viably-

Journalists who played said hand-to-hand was clunky.

And I didn't found hand-to-hand interesting in Oblivion either, I it hard to believe people want it back in Skyrim...

Not surprised, I seriously doubt the devs are focusing on H2H combat too much.

My thoughts exactly.

Whoa, hey...I haven't been on these forums in a while. Can someone link a citation that H2H is NOT a skill, and another link to cite that pickpocketing IS a skill?

I thought I saw something like that. Yes I remember a jounralist(s) saying it was clunky too

Sure, just go to elderscrolls wiki and go to the Skyrim page. It lists all 18 skills.

H2H in Oblivion was awesome fun. One of my fave characters had 100 in H2H, and it was dead funny paralysing people and then repeatedly punching them in the back of the head to death while they were lying there helpless...
...good times.

ah see that tactic really doesn't work much less does it make sense, that really isnt "see what I did there" kind of thing.

You gilded "Tavern brawls" as some fleshed out feature, and I said I don't see why people flip out about it, and yet H2H was a feature thats now been put into a corner, despite a "feature" making use of it.

I also did not say it should not be In Skyrim as you implied that Skyrim would be better off about it. Oranges and apples there is a use to H2H see it or Not, but for something thats been in every game suddenly becoming a glorious feature because a Dev said it is strikingly hilarious.

It wasn't in every game... it wasn't in any game at all. :unsure:

I never played H2H in Oblivion. In fact, it wasn't until the much-improved and incredibly fun unarmed system of New Vegas that I gained an appreciation for the combat style. I think it was a complete oversight for Bethesda to follow Obsidian's awesome unarmed system with an effective cancellation of it in Skyrim. People speak of levitation and things being huge disappointments for them--lack of hand-to-hand is mine.

Hand to hand is technically an option to fight, except there is no way of raising the H2H skill or anything, and not to mention the non-lethal bar fights in-game