I have a simple question...


Why is it that I can go watch a Movie, and give it a "GREAT" review, and I am just a "movie watcher"....and "I like that".


But, I play a game, and give it a "GREAT" review, and if I didn't play it at that "hardest" setting my opinion is discarded as "oh he's a casual...ignore him"....usually by others that just prefer other games.


Are they not both just forms of entertainment?
Are they not both meant for the "general public"?


I WILL NOT JUSTIFY MYSELF!

I Love F-4!...and 1...2...3...NV...Get It? (Yes, I am 46 YRs)

Bruh you didn't watch that at the highest definition or the directors cut and commentary. You have no valid opinion

Actually...I buy Blu-Ray....I get/watch it all.

It is only by a minority who like to make a lot of noise thinking that they know what the greater audience expect. I wouldn't take them seriously. The game dev's use global marketing tactics to get a true opinion of what makes a good game. Unfortunately this minority has some issues of feeling that their cash is supreme over what other also spend so they invent nonsense terms like "casual" and "dumbing down" as a way to make themselves sound more credible

Why does JJ abrams like to zoom in and use lens flare, while james cameron chooses camera angles and dramatic music? Two different styles of doing things, thats life...

I feel that say you watch a movie you were interested in, but disappointed that it was not as good as you thought it would be, best describes the buzz on the forums. Look.... survival needs to be one thing guys. ITS ALL OR NOTHING. You cannot change a movie after it has been released to the public. So to combat this, you all know Bethesda are beta testing. So relax, it will be survival mode in all its glory. The team knows what is going on. I trust them with it as much as you should trust ant director of any of your favorite films.

You would get the same response if you claim that The Phantom Menace is the greatest Star Wars movie. Actually heard an interesting theory where Jar Jar Binks was the true Sith Lord of the prequels. Wonder how that would change the experience of watching the prequels. Would it actually change the worst Star Wars movie of all time into the best one?

There is nothing wrong with either hardcoe or casual, its up to the player. In 'general' games are too easy in terms of challenge, that really isn't debatable. Sure there are some games that have a higher degree of difficulty, challenge or skill than others, Dark Souls, Bloodborne, etc but they're really not that hard once you become familiar with the game, just like Fallout 4 is not that difficult once you gear up and get more perks, in my opinion its too easy.

Difficulty settings are generally used to distinguish more challenging gameplay to less challenging and that allows the player to make a choice. I see of lot of complaints about Survival mode here but Survival mode is designed to be the most difficult way to play Fallout 4, precisely why Bethesda have introduced the Adrenaline ranks, save only while sleeping, no fast travel, higher damage output, etc. It's the most difficult mode yet there are some that don't like it and some that do. Those that don't like it have difficulty settings already available in the game. Easy, Normal, etc. Those that do want to the challenge? That's called Survival. It should be left (and will be left) for Bethesda to design how they see fit.

A casual players opinions certainly shouldn't be discredited and likewise a hardcoe player has the same right to an opinion as a casual player does. When the game is catered to one or the other, that's when drama ensues. The hardcoe say its 'dumbed down' the casuals say 'its fine', both are correct because its what they want. That's where game settings are chosen to distinguish both play types and keep both camps happy.

I agree completly... Bethesda should focus on making it hardcoe instead of adding cheat options that is what mods are for.

I remember a blissful time when these two completely stupid terms didn't exist. We just played the blasted game.

Everytime you use the cheat word you rightly invalidate your point for tons of people, you know, considering its a single player game that the creators have literally said is a "play as you want" . You are the poster of of not understanding the other side whole being absolutely sure you do.

Huh? Where is all this weird nonsense coming from? First it popped up in topics, now it is the actua subject of topics LOL This proves that people don't understand what casual / hardcoe is in a broad scale. And that as gamers themselves on a video game forum??

hardcoe is someone who has said hobby as his primary hobby. So in terms of speaking about games, hardcoe gamer is someone who invests money in good computer, games, etc etc.

Playing a game on hardcoe difficulty however is just playing it at the top level available.

It's two seperate things, you can do both or just one.

Then there is casual, casual is just someone who doesn't care that much to be hardcoe gamer, but you can still play a game at hardcoe difficulty as a casual. That is if you consider "casual" actually casually playing. Not 1x a month.. that isn't even casual anymore.

+1 Yeah this is accurate.

Yeah casual gamer opinions shouldn't be discarded, that is not what hardcoe players want.

However you shouldn't listen to their opinion much in a hardcoe player themed difficulty, where most of the time - if at all, they won't even play said hardcoe features.

It's a totally different thing. But for some reason these "casual" players are super offended and topics spiral out of hand.

pepperidge farm remembers but pepperidge farm aint gonna keep it to pepperidge farm self! Maybe you go out and by a package of milano cookies?...

Lol but ya just play the game guys!

Those were the days....

Obviously you don't know what they mean by "play how you want" it means you play how you want and do what you want in there sandbox world with the gameplay they created it doesn't mean cheat if it did i'm Bethesda would have added cheat options in the main menu... and you know you don't have to play survival mode if you don't want to right?

Casual gaming is having a quick blast on a mobile game whilst waiting at the bus stop, I casual game all the time as a time filler.

'hardcoe' (and I use the tern loosely) is when I actually dedicate myself full time to playing, now that sounds quite grand but really it means I'm playing the game not to pass the time but to play the game.

Difficulty is subjectve, I can't play Guitar Hero on Expert as my hand/eye co-ordination is rubbish, but I can play Sim City on Hard as I'm good at managing resources.

Anyone judging you, or anyone else, on what diffculty you have chosen doesn't really need your attention

I literal have no idea what you're trying to say with the first half of your statement. I've played BGS since Redguard and I assure you I get it. There is no cheating as you envision it in a purposely highly modifiable open world singleplayer game.

Anyway lets try this one more time for those who refuse to get the point. Most of those against the save thing really like literally everything else about the mode but really dislike the save restriction. Personally I consider it really unimmersive and super gamely and against the immersion adding stuff I like about this mode. At least I know even if they put it in when the finally release the creation kit, it will be modded out in a hot minute.

Bethesda would be better off taking the time to work on there other projects instead of making cheat options for you guys that is what mods are for... and just cause a game is single player doesnt mean you can't cheat that is just broken logic right there...

I guess you must be one of those who think all mods are cheats then since you apparently also consider choice and options to be cheating?

edit: This whole subject of save restrictions seems to be getting used by certain people to beat on everybody that doesn't like to deal with frustration and lack of fun. That we're casuals, that we're not 'real' gamers, that we don't like a challenge.

As if losing progress because of a crash or glitch because I wasn't hunting out a bed every five minutes is somehow fun.

I'm willing to bet at least half the pro-save restriction people will quickly download a mod to change it after the first time a crash wipes out an hours progress since the last bed.

I don't even know what I am.

I was out of gaming from around Super Nintendo to Skyrim. I played Skyrim religiously from its inception until FO4. I've never played any other Bethesda game. I play on a PS4. I started FO4 in January, and it's all I've done with my free time since. So, I'm a relative noob, in comparison to many of you, but I'm also totally obsessed. I play on Very Easy during the early levels because I'm just not very good at combat in this game yet (shooters are new for me). I then switch to Normal around level 15 or so, and then Very Hard after level 25. I plan to start a new character in Survival 2.0 when it debuts, and I don't really care what the parameters are.

So, I don't know if I'm Casual, hardcoe, or somewhere in the middle, but I love FO4 and I'm excited about the DLCs and the new Survival mode.

People like to feel like they are special, but we know better.

Just because they decided to torture themselves on harder difficulties doesn't mean the story review or many aspects will be that different. If the reviews specific about the differences between the difficulties or whatever topic then it has some merit. But they mostly like to [censored] brag or whatever and feel special for torturing themselves.

Ill usually start on normal and jack up the difficulty next play or whatever just to get a better idea of story and rpg part of the game before wanting to make my life harder.

Wow! you are completely clueless just locked in your competitive thinking world. Fine I'm not going to beat my head against a brick wall anymore with you.

This. I am not a 'casual' gamer as I play for several hours a day. Gaming is my primary entertainment (and because I'm disabled and housebound I have a lot of time for indulging in it). However, I won't be playing on hardcoe difficulty because I neither have the reflexes or skill, nor enjoy that difficulty of gameplay. For those that do I'm glad it will exist.

More happy players (casual or hardcoe or whatever) = more money for Bethesda = more game content and future games to play. It's win-win.

Mods are only cheats if you are using them to make your game easier... and there alot of beds everywhere so you have no excuse.

I'm just stating reality... if your position is so weak that you can no longer argue it perhaps you should change it...

dude, for a content creator, you can never make anyone happy. even in a review, your opinion is your own, and that's what matters.