hardcoe options

Post » Tue Nov 23, 2010 3:11 pm

IMO it makes no sense to combine this with the other options you mentioned.
  • there are some players who like the survival type elements, like reduced carry weight, higher merchant prices, needing to eat, drink and sleep to stay alive. Personally, after having played with some survival mods for Oblivion and FNV, I realized that without these features, food and drink items are essentially meaningless junk.
  • there are some players who enjoy "hardcoe runs" in games like Diablo, etc., where you rush to finish a game without dying, or similar combat challenges.

I imagine these two groups rarely overlap.

The "dead is dead" type of feature is particularly out of place in epic open world TES games where you are not racing toward any particular finish line, instead many playthroughs last hundreds or even thousands of hours without even touching the main quest.

Personally RPGs only feel challenging when I'm dying and reloading constantly, rarely surviving any battle without dying at least a couple times. This means in my case any sort of permanent death feature would mean either the game feels way too easy and becomes boring, or I'm dying thousands of times and never get anywhere, also boring.

So if i understand what you are saying then the answer to that would to just leave all the other options off and check mark the permanent death one.
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Post » Tue Nov 23, 2010 7:46 pm

So if i understand what you are saying then the answer to that would to just leave all the other options off and check mark the permanent death one.



I don't understand the need to design the feature in in the first place. Couldn't the "Check mark" just be you deleting your old save when you die? There already exists the tools in all Elder Scrolls games for that already.
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Post » Tue Nov 23, 2010 11:25 am

Oh you work for them? That's cool..just admit you got pooped on by that last comment.


No, I don't work for them. Where would you even get that idea? And I didn't get "pooped on" by the last comment.
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Post » Wed Nov 24, 2010 1:03 am

So if i understand what you are saying then the answer to that would to just leave all the other options off and check mark the permanent death one.


Considering the great fan and critical response for hardcoe mode in FNV, I suspect (and hope) there will be some sort of hardcoe or survival mode in Skyrim. If Bethesda implements these features as toggles that players can set individually, that would be pretty amazing.

I think some people liked some of the combat challenge enhancing features of FNV hardcoe mode, such as stimpaks heal over time, but hated the eating/drinking/sleeping part. You can't please everybody, but optional toggles for some of these features would be great.

Of course considering the general trend toward streamlining and reducing complexity, I would be surprised if Bethesda implements a feature like this with a whole bunch of optional toggles.

I also believe permanent death makes no sense for an open world TES game, but I imagine there are some people out there who would enjoy it.
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Post » Tue Nov 23, 2010 8:33 pm

I don't understand the need to design the feature in in the first place. Couldn't the "Check mark" just be you deleting your old save when you die? There already exists the tools in all Elder Scrolls games for that already.

You could do that but then it wouldn't be fun for some people who love the thrills of combat and not knowing if you could die in the next encounter or fly off a mountain and die, in the back of your mind you would always know you can cheat and not delete the save.
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Post » Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:09 pm

You could do that but then it wouldn't be fun for some people who love the thrills of combat and not knowing if you could die in the next encounter or fly off a mountain and die, in the back of your mind you would always know you can cheat and not delete the save.


Why would you even want permanent deaths?

300 hours gameplay...I die...save gone. I don't think so.
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Post » Tue Nov 23, 2010 9:44 pm

Why would you even want permanent deaths?

300 hours gameplay...I die...save gone. I don't think so.

I don't want it, some people might and once again it's optional...jeez i wish i had an option to just get rid of ignorant people ugh i can't help but feel obligated to reply to this guy -_- I'm just goning to chill out over here and *mumbles* damn reply limit time frame
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Post » Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:13 pm

You could do that but then it wouldn't be fun for some people who love the thrills of combat and not knowing if you could die in the next encounter or fly off a mountain and die, in the back of your mind you would always know you can cheat and not delete the save.



Why couldn't you just "Cheat" and uncheck it just before dying anyway?


Honestly, if someone is that into "permanent" death, I don't think they're going to "Cheat" themselves out of it, or need an arbitrary feature to go about it.
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Post » Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:49 am

- New Vegas style hardcoe



This is all I ask for in a HC mode. Eat, Sleep, Resting only restores health over time
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Post » Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:26 pm

I don't want it, ugh i can't help but feel obligated to reply to this guy


I feel the same way.
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Post » Tue Nov 23, 2010 4:57 pm

Why couldn't you just "Cheat" and uncheck it just before dying anyway?


Honestly, if someone is that into "permanent" death, I don't think they're going to "Cheat" themselves out of it, or need an arbitrary feature to go about it.

Because the options list would only be available before starting the character. And maybe you are right about them not wanting to cheat out of it but who knows, maybe they just can't help their self hehe. *eyeballing the cookie jar*
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Post » Tue Nov 23, 2010 12:36 pm

Because the options list would only be available before starting the character. And maybe you are right about them not wanting to cheat out of it but who knows, maybe they just can't help their self hehe. *eyeballing the cookie jar*


If they can't stop themselves from loading a character instead of deleting it when dieing, then they shouldn't be trying to delete their saves when dieing at all.
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Post » Tue Nov 23, 2010 7:18 pm

No.

Real life is not role play. You can role play any role.

[sarcasm]Might as well have TVs in the game too, right? It's role play after all. We have TVs in real life...we have to have them in the game. Because it's role play. We should also need to go to the bathroom at least once a day.[/sarcasm]


Your argument is completely ridiculous.

Have you played hardcoe mode in New Vegas? This is exactly what I want in Skyrim. hardcoe mode is OPTIONAL. Which means, if you want the game to be more like real life (why the hell are you going on about TVs? This is a fantasy game, not Fallout), you have the OPTION to do things like:
- Eat and drink to live
- Wounds heal over time with stimpacks
- Doctors bangs to repair broken bones
- Having to sleep

Never in any post did I say "Oh i want this game to be EXACTLY like real life".

hardcoe options just make the game more challenging. Challenging as in, you take more risks, you die easily - SIMILAR TO REAL LIFE

Of course, if you want to do the easy option because you dont want this game to be realistic (I have no idea why) be my guest
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Post » Tue Nov 23, 2010 9:56 pm

If they can't stop themselves from loading a character instead of deleting it when dieing, then they shouldn't be trying to delete their saves when dieing at all.

Ummmm mental block, any way the point is to make it more suspenseful and make you scared as hell about dieing and trying to survive that tough elder scrolls world out there with caution. Man why do we have to talk about my least favorite of the hardcoe options? Can't we just talk about how much fun it's going to be climbing mountains?
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Post » Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:43 pm

Your argument is completely ridiculous.

Have you played hardcoe mode in New Vegas? This is exactly what I want in Skyrim. hardcoe mode is OPTIONAL. Which means, if you want the game to be more like real life (why the hell are you going on about TVs? This is a fantasy game, not Fallout), you have the OPTION to do things like:
- Eat and drink to live
- Wounds heal over time with stimpacks
- Doctors bangs to repair broken bones
- Having to sleep

Never in any post did I say "Oh i want this game to be EXACTLY like real life".

hardcoe options just make the game more challenging. Challenging as in, you take more risks, you die easily - SIMILAR TO REAL LIFE

Of course, if you want to do the easy option because you dont want this game to be realistic (I have no idea why) be my guest


Maybe you should read the posts before that? The guy was saying that RPG meant as close to real life as possible.
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Post » Tue Nov 23, 2010 12:54 pm

Ummmm mental block, any way the point is to make it more suspenseful and make you scared as hell about dieing and trying to survive that tough elder scrolls world out there with caution. Man why do we have to talk about my least favorite of the hardcoe options? Can't we just talk about how much fun it's going to be climbing mountains?


The guy clearly doesnt understand what "challenging" and "hardcoe" mean. He thinks we want this game to be Earth2 or something lol
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Post » Tue Nov 23, 2010 12:41 pm

Pretty sure that, in one of the Game Informer podcast interviewing Todd Howard, it was stated that hardcoe Mode will NOT be in Skyrim. I do not care one way or the other, but it seems to me like the option would be perfect for any RPG like TES and the new Fallouts.

EDIT: I would at least like an exposure meter that would be similar to Fallout's radiation one. Most of the game it will be unused, but there would be at least a few locations where you would need to take precautions against the harsh environment.
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Post » Tue Nov 23, 2010 2:43 pm

Pretty sure that, in one of the Game Informer podcast interviewing Todd Howard, it was stated that hardcoe Mode will NOT be in Skyrim.


:yes:
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Post » Tue Nov 23, 2010 12:06 pm

The guy clearly doesnt understand what "challenging" and "hardcoe" mean. He thinks we want this game to be Earth2 or something lol

HAHA! Earth2!! that was friggin funny dude ^_^
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Post » Tue Nov 23, 2010 11:08 pm

HAHA! Earth2!! that was friggin funny dude ^_^


I didn't find it very funny. It really seems that you guys want this "Earth 2" thing.
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Post » Wed Nov 24, 2010 12:21 am

I didn't find it very funny. It really seems that you guys want this "Earth 2" thing.

Maybe that's because it was aimed towards you, oh and Todd only stated there would be no hardcoe mode because everything i mentioned is in the normal game so there is no need for the option...Jk Shasow i just wanted you to crap your looney toons whitey tighties!
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Post » Tue Nov 23, 2010 5:21 pm

Maybe that's because it was aimed towards you, oh and Todd only stated there would be no hardcoe mode because everything i mentioned is in the normal game so there is no need for the option...Jk Shasow i just wanted you to crap your looney toons whitey tighties!


My
looney toons whitey tighties!

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Post » Tue Nov 23, 2010 12:00 pm

I didn't find it very funny. It really seems that you guys want this "Earth 2" thing.



I do not see what is wrong with people wanting more options for role-playing and making videos for youtube :P
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Post » Wed Nov 24, 2010 2:32 am

I do not see what is wrong with people wanting more options for role-playing and making videos for youtube :P


There is nothing wrong with people wanting to role-play...but Skyrim will not be the game to role-play real life or anything similar to it.

And if you want something different in Skyrim, you can just download mods. Want hardcoe? Download the mod when it's made. Don't have a PC? You should get one. Skyrim on the PC is 1000x better than on a console.
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Post » Tue Nov 23, 2010 9:00 pm

My

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It was only a joke. One day a long time ago, my brother's friend spent the night and brought clothes with him so he could shower and change. He ended up leaving his dirty skid mark encrusted looney toons underwear here and my mom found them and laughed so hard and showed us, I still make fun of him for that.
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