I hate to ask, but...

Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:52 am

No, really, I do. Hate to ask, that is.

Thing is, I had a perfectly working FCOM++ install last time around - zero crashes, beautiful, excellent balance and so on. But for some reason (I can't quite remember what...) I decided to really change things up this time, adding all kinds of stuff, removing a few previous faves, seeing what happens.* I guess, there are some awesome-looking (beta or otherwise) mods coming out just now, and a few older ones I've had sitting around for a while.

* Well, what happens is, it plays for a while (a few minutes), then... CtD. I thought it might've been at the 5 minute mark (i.e., when I had Streamline set to streamsave) but no. I have disabled a few mods here and there, tried to spot obvious conflicts. The (even more) annoying aspect is that I probably should know, or be able to see it, whatever it is. Maybe I do, but can't recall at the moment.

Anyway, here's the current mod list, which is a little over halfway done, and it's prior to some serious merging, of course (except I've already done the Message Remover Pack, or MRP) :

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00  Oblivion.esm01  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 0.9.9.5]02  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm03  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm04  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]05  TamRes.esm06  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]07  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]08  VASE - core.esm09  Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm0A  TamrielTravellers.esm  [Version 1.39c]0B  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]0C  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]0D  Artifacts.esm  [Version 1.1]0E  Kvatch Rebuilt.esm0F  Better Cities Resources.esm10  BetterMusicSystem.esm11  bookplacing.esm  [Version 1]12  Progress.esm  [Version 2.2]13  Oblivifall Master File.esm  [Version 1.0]14  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.6]15  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp16  DLCShiveringIsles.esp17  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]18  SM Plugin Refurbish - SI.esp  [Version 1.30]++  Shivering OOO.esp19  Better Cities .esp1A  TamRes.esp1B  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp1C  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp1D  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp1E  Francesco's Optional Leveled Quests-SI only.esp1F  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp++  FranDarkSeducerWeapFix.esp++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]20  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]21  Fran Armor Add-on.esp22  Fran_Lv30Item_Maltz.esp++  OMOBS_FRAN.esp23  Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp24  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 0.9.9.5]25  All Natural.esp  [Version 0.9.9.5]26  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 0.9.9.5]27  Enhanced Water v2.0 HDMI.esp++  Louder Nirnroot Sound.esp++  Symphony of Violence.esp28  Atmospheric Oblivion.esp29  Rainbows.esp2A  Cities Alive At Night.esp2B  CampfireBehavior.esp2C  WindowLightingSystem.esp2D  Ayleid Loot EXtension.esp2E  Ayleid Loot EXtension - OOO Dungeons.esp**  Book Jackets Oblivion - BP.esp2F  7lbsBedrolls-OBSE.esp++  BrighterTorches_v1.2.esp++  Cobl Bookjackets.esp30  diversegrasses.esp31  Happyhannah's Wines.esp  [Version 1.1]32  ImprovedSigns.esp++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.78]33  kalikuts_bracelets.esp34  More_Vegetables.esp35  MYR_AyleidExtensions.esp36  P1DmenuEscape.esp37  BetterMusicSystem(SI).esp38  personality_idles4.esp39  Q - More and Moldy Ingredients v1.1.esp3A  RAEVWD Cities.esp  [Version 1.7]3B  RAEVWD New Sheoth.esp  [Version 1.5]++  VA_BetterGold.esp3C  Willful Resistance.esp  [Version 4.0]3D  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 4.1.1]3E  Crowded Roads Revisited.esp  [Version 1.1]3F  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.4]40  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.0.2]41  DLCHorseArmor.esp42  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]++  Mart's Monster Mod - DLCHorseArmor+Slofs .esp  [Version 0.91]43  SM Plugin Refurbish - HorseArmor.esp  [Version 1.11]44  DLCOrrery.esp45  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]46  SM Plugin Refurbish - Orrery.esp  [Version 1.11]47  DLCVileLair.esp48  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]++  SM Plugin Refurbish - VileLair.esp  [Version 1.21]49  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp4A  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]4B  SM Plugin Refurbish - MehrunesRazor.esp  [Version 1.30]4C  DLCSpellTomes.esp++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]**  Book Jackets DLC.esp++  GrimbotsSpellTomes.esp++  MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp4D  AyleidFiringa.esp++  CSR - Fine Iron.esp++  CSR - Golden Saint.esp4E  GothFreak's Celtic Rings and Swords.esp4F  Ice Gowns for HGEC.esp50  Jade Dishes.esp**  mz_Shields_SI.esp51  XiaNewAmuletsV1.esp52  Exnem Leather Iron Warrior.esp**  Armamentium female.esp53  Morrowind Robes and Dresses for HGEC.esp54  SellHorses.esp55  DLCThievesDen.esp56  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]57  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]58  SM Plugin Refurbish - ThievesDen.esp  [Version 1.30]59  KDCircletsOOOOptimized - NPC Equip.esp  [Version 1.2]++  FCOM_KDCircletsOOOOptimizedNPCEquip.esp  [Version 0.9.9]5A  Slof's Oblivion Robe Trader.esp5B  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]5C  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]5D  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]5E  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp5F  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]60  Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp++  FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp  [Version 0.9.9]61  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp62  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]63  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]++  OOO-DLT_Remover.esp  [Version 1.33]++  OMOBS_OOO_missing_Oblivion_Bow_Ammo.esp++  OMOBS.esp  [Version 1.0]++  OMOBS_SI.esp64  OMOBS Optional Combat Settings.esp  [Version 1.0]++  ArmamentariumLLVendors.esp  [Version 1.35]65  ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp  [Version 1.35]66  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp  [Version 0.9.9beta2]67  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]68  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]69  Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]6A  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]6B  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]6C  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3f]++  VASE - Cyrodiil for MMM.esp++  VASE - Vanilla SI.esp++  Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  OMOBS_MMM.esp++  OMOBS_MMM_H&C_Ammo.esp++  TamrielTravellerAdvscript.esp  [Version 1.40Alpha]6D  TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp  [Version 1.39c]6E  TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp  [Version 1.39c]6F  ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp  [Version 1.39c]++  FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp  [Version 2.01]++  ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp  [Version 1.35]++  PersuasionOverhaul_OOO.esp  [Version 1.2]++  PersuasionOverhaul_MMM.esp  [Version 1.2]++  FineWeapons for OOO.esp**  Fransfemale.esp70  Full Harvest.esp  [Version 1.0]**  RustyItems for OOO.esp71  OOO-WaterFish.esp  [Version 1.34]++  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.69]**  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4FCOM.esp72  Amajor7 Imperial Furniture.esp73  Artifacts.esp  [Version 1.1]**  ArtifactsFemaleArmor.esp++  Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp  [Version 1.0]74  AvaiRii_UnderwaterHome.esp75  BravilSeaDomesixpanded.esp76  Hammerfell.esp77  Kvatch Rebuilt.esp++  Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.esp78  Kvatch Rebuilt - Leveled Guards - FCOM.esp79  Kvatch Rebuilt Weather Patch.esp7A  Side's Sailing Ships.esp++  Side's Sailing Ships (COBL).esp7B  The Ayleid Steps.esp  [Version 3.3.1]7C  TheForgottenShields.esp7D  TheMistRetreat1.3_Original.esp7E  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp7F  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]80  BattlehornCastleEnhanced.esp81  SM Plugin Refurbish - Battlehorn.esp  [Version 1.30]82  DLCfrostcrag.esp83  Kvatch Rebuilt_Frostcrag Reborn.esp84  SM Plugin Refurbish - Frostcrag.esp  [Version 1.2]85  FrostcragRebornCobl.esp86  Knights.esp87  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]**  EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp++  SM Plugin Refurbish - Knights.esp  [Version 1.06]88  The Lost Spires.esp89  AFK_Weye.esp8A  Blood&Mud.esp8B  Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp8C  FCOM_Blood&Mud.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_SlofsRobeTrader.esp  [Version 0.9.9]8D  Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esp++  FCOM_EnhancedDaedricInvasion.esp  [Version 0.9.9]8E  Blackmarsh.esp8F  Valenwood.esp90  Summerset.esp91  SummersetLandscapes.esp92  ElsweyrAnequina.esp93  BetterMusicSystem(Elsweyr).esp++  ElsweyrAnequina - Races HGEC-Robert.esp94  Reaper's Esmeralda's Desert Manor.esp95  Rimmen.esp96  RimmenMMM.esp97  Tales from Elsweyr Anequina.esp98  Valenwood_Anequina_Patch.esp99  road+bridges.esp  [Version 4.5.4]9A  Oblivifall - Losing My Religion.esp  [Version 1.3]9B  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.4]9C  LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp9D  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.2]9E  xulTheHeath.esp9F  MMMMWL-TheHeath patch.espA0  XulEntiusGorge.espA1  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]A2  LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp  [Version 1.2]A3  Anequina-Fallenleaf-Patch.espA4  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.1]A5  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.2]A6  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.4]A7  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.2]A8  Tales Elsweyr Anq Bravil Barrowfields Patch.espA9  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3]AA  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.2]AB  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]AC  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]AD  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.3]AE  xulPatch_AY_AC.esp  [Version 1.1]AF  xulRollingHills_EV.esp  [Version 1.3.2]B0  MMMMWL-RollingHills patch.espB1  xulPantherRiver.espB2  Blood&Mud-PantherRiver patch.espB3  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]B4  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.0.2]B5  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.3]B6  xulBlackwoodForest.espB7  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]B8  KvatchRebuilt-CheydinhalFalls patch.espB9  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.1]BA  xulSkingradOutskirts.espBB  NRB4+UL-II Patch.esp  [Version 5.0]++  FCOM_UnofficialFranArmorAddon.esp  [Version 0.9.9]BC  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]BD  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]BE  DropLitTorchOBSE.esp  [Version 2.1]BF  EVE_ShiveringIslesEasterEggs.espC0  Dungeon Actors Have Torches 1.6 DT.espC1  Exterior Actors Have Torches 1.3 DT.esp++  FewerOBGates.esp**  FrbitPotionReplacer.espC2  Leviathan Soulgems.espC3  Oblivifall - Ambiant Dungeon SFX.esp  [Version 1.1]C4  P1DkeyChain.esp  [Version 5.00]C5  PersuasionOverhaul.esp  [Version 1.43]++  Enhanced Vegetation [100%].espC6  Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp  [Version 3.1.1]C7  Quest Award Leveller.esp  [Version 2.1.0]++  Quest Award Leveller - Battlehorn Castle.esp++  Quest Award Leveller - Vile Lair.esp  [Version 2.1.0]++  Quest Award Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.esp  [Version 2.1.0]++  Quest Award Leveller - Knights Of The Nine.esp  [Version 2.1.0]C8  Alternate Start Revamped.espC9  SM Encumbrance and Fatigue.esp  [Version 2.6]CA  RealisticForceMedium.espCB  RealisticMagicForceLow.espCC  sr_spell_deletion.espCD  EnchantmentRestore.esp++  EnchantmentRestore_Wells.espCE  SM Combat Hide.esp  [Version 1.2]CF  SM Bounty.esp  [Version 1.22c]D0  Duke Patricks - Near Miss Magic And Arrows Alert The Target.espD1  Duke Patricks - Actors Can Miss Now.espD2  Duke Patricks - Fresh Kills Now Alert The NPCs.espD3  nGCD.esp++  nGCD Birthsigns.espD4  nGCD Oghma Infinium.esp++  nGCD Skeleton Key.espD5  ProgressGSD.esp  [Version 2.0]D6  ProgressMercantile.esp  [Version 1.11]D7  Legendary Abilities-Shield MOJ.espD8  Grandmaster of Alchemy.esp**  Let There Be Darkness - Cyrodiil + SI.esp**  Let There Be Darkness - Knights.esp**  Let There Be Darkness - Mehrunes Razor.esp**  Let There Be Darkness - OOO.esp**  Let There Be Darkness - Kvatch Rebuilt.esp**  Let There Be Darkness - Elsweyr.esp**  Let There Be Darkness - UL Colovian Highlands.esp**  Let There Be Darkness - UL Lost Coast.esp**  Let There Be Darkness - UL Brena.esp**  Let There Be Darkness - UL Blackwood Forest.esp++  Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp  [Version 0.78]++  Item interchange - Placement for Frostcrag Reborn.esp  [Version 0.76]++  Item interchange - Option, Ingredients in Bulk, reduced.esp  [Version 0.78]D9  Atmospheric Loading Screens - No Text.esp++  EVE_KhajiitFix.esp**  EyelashesForVanillaRaces1.0.espDA  AsharasSirensAndTritons.espDB  bgBalancingEVCore.esp  [Version 10.52EV-D]++  TamrielTravellers Cosmetics Cobl or RBP.espDC  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicItemSigil.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicEVStartspells.esp  [Version 1.68EV]DD  bgMagicBonus.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalClasses.esp  [Version 9.0EV-U]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalMoreEyes.esp  [Version 10]**  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversity, TNR Merge.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalFCOMAdditions.esp  [Version 10.]**  bgBalancingOptionalNPCDiversityKvatchRebuilt, for Wrye Bash.esp  [Version 9.0EV-D]DE  bgBalancingEVLAMEAddition.esp  [Version 10.51EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVLAMEGlue.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D1.62EV]**  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversityLAME.esp  [Version 10.5EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalSeamReducerHighElfFix.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]DF  bgIntegrationEV.esp  [Version 0.993]E0  ElyndasLostDressesHGEC.espE1  Better Cities - Full City Defences.espE2  Better Cities Full - B&M Edition.espE3  BCBravilB&MFULL-Barrowfields patch.espE4  BCChorrol-ChorrolHinterland fix.espE5  BCCheydinhalFULLB&M-CheydinhalFalls patch.espE6  BCSkingrad-SkingradOutskirts patch.espE7  Better Cities - VWD of the IC.espE8  Better Imperial City.espE9  Better Cities - COBL.esp  [Version 2]EA  MRP Merged.espEB  NoMerchantBarterpvssyr.espEC  Duke Patricks - Magic you can believe in.esp**  bgMagicEVShader.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicShaderLifeDetect.esp  [Version 1.68]ED  bgMagicLightningbolt.espEE  Get Wet - just droplets.esp++  Visually Realistic Deadly Lava.espEF  NRB4 Standard Road Record.esp++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 0.9.9.5]**  RimmenAN.espF0  Bashed Patch, 0.espF1  [GFX]_Initial_Glow-all.espF2  Duke Patricks - BASIC Script Effect Silencer.espF3  FormID Finder4.espF4  Oblivion Graphics Extender Support.esp  [Version 0.2]F5  Streamline 3.1.esp


(the "core" of which is identical** to my 100% stable former install...)


Please, someone, put me out of my misery. :( As I said, I'd much rather just figure things out as I go, but... I'm stuck. Or it feels that way. So, sorry for what might well be a really dumb question/request. One of those days, perhaps.

Oh, and as for things that won't show up in that list, I'm [not quite up and] running with OBSE 18, Pluggy 1.32, Wrye Bash 2.85, QTP3, Detailed Terrain, BTQ, QCN, Symphony of Violence, and a bunch of other graphics and sound stuff. But nothing too unusual, I'd say.


edit: ** Actually, no - I've updated a number of mods (e.g., All Natural.)
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mishionary
 
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:13 am

Sometimes, updating a plugin that is running a particular script without a clean save first, might cause a crash when you return to the game.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:24 am

Glad I'm not the only person who doesn't like to ask questions. Anyway, have you tried BOSS ?
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:09 am

It's a fresh install. I was waiting for something in particular, that never arrived, but I went ahead with this take anyway, having got sick of FO3 again. Quickly, I might add.

Update: TES4LODGen runs fine at the moment. It didn't for a sec, until I remembered (duh!) to anneal a particular package. Problem solved. That problem solved, anyhow. Must be one of those days, indeed.

edit: BOSS? Check (latest version, latest masterlist, a couple of mods reordered by hand, because they weren't recognised.) Fast Exit is also in place - so I needn't wait at all to see my desktop every time... :D

:(
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:12 am

It's a fresh install. I was waiting for something in particular, that never arrived, but I went ahead with this take anyway, having got sick of FO3 again. Quickly, I might add.

Update: I just tried another TES4LODGen - errors galore! It did finish what it was doing, but wow, a lot of problems with doubles and nulls. Er, or someting like that.

T4LG ran fine before. Before what exactly, I'm not sure. But it did. So, it would seem that something is clogging the game up with errors until it just falls over. Or maybe it has to work extra hard because of them, and therefore... falls over. Not sure.


edit: BOSS? Check (latest version, latest masterlist, a couple of mods reordered by hand, because they weren't recognised.) Fast Exit is also in place - so I needn't wait at all to see my desktop every time... :D

:(


Not sure if its relevant but I recall reading about a problem with the Elsweyr heightmaps and TES4LODGEN recently...
http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1095445-anyway-to-take-down-the-number-of-trees-tes4lodgen-is-making/page__st__20__p__16003148__hl__tes4lodgen__fromsearch__1&#entry16003148

http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1095095-tamriel-worldspace-modding-project-ii/page__st__80__p__16019477__hl__tes4lodgen__fromsearch__1&#entry16019477

Good luck :wave:
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:57 am

Did you put correct bash tags (they are posted in official FCOM thread)? I had some issues until i rebuilt my bashed patch properly.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:46 am

Did you put correct bash tags (they are posted in official FCOM thread)? I had some issues until i rebuilt my bashed patch properly.

Yep, all up to date as of today.

Tofolo, I'll look into that. Thanks. :)

And thanks generally to those who've posted, and to those who still might. Much appreciated.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:45 am

You might want the FranOBSEConfig, for the Runnung backwards tweak, Mot sure on the Better Cites Full.esp, I have it and I'm fairly stable...
didn't notice too much else
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