Ok, i was going to Riften to make some quests for the Jarl so i could buy Honeyside..

Last time i went there, she was in her Throne... but then this time when i got there, who was in her Throne was Maven Black-Briar !! I don't know why and how this happened !

I hate this family, i wished i could kill her...
I want to buy Honeyside, and i can, BUT i don't want to buy a house in a city ruled by that [censored].. yeah, i said [censored] !

:violin:

Is there any other good home that isn't Breezehome ? Also, do you know what happened with the old Jarl ?
I really liked Honeyside, you have a Garden, a Pouch, a nice view of the beautiful lake... That was a nice home to live. But i rather die than live in a city ruled by the Black-Briar !

My guess is you may have given Riften to the Imperials in some certain negotiations or something along those lines. Not going to say too much in case I am wrong and end out spoiling too much of the main story plot.

Your actions directly lead to the overthrow of the stormcloak pro leader of Riften. She was replaced by someone who was a leader and pro-imperial.


You realize Maven already ran Riften before she was Jarl right?

Actually i don't remember, but i think i may have gave Riften to Tullius in the Negotiation...

Damn !


Anyway, do you recommend any other house ?

Do you have a tendency to click-cancel your way through quest dialogue?

That storyline was really poorly handled. They needed to explain what happened to the old Jarl and why and let you do something about it. Maybe a quest to get her to stay Jarl and defeat the Black Briar family...so much better than what happened where your good friend the old Jarl who made you Thane just isn't there anymore due to a totally unrelated event. My Jarl didn't even like Ulric, she was more neutral than anything. And in my game, that witch Maven didn't run anything until after the Civil War quests. Why they put such a despicable character in the game and made her an "unkillable" NPC with no way to kill her via quest is well, stupid. I hate the humongous number of unkillable NPCs in Skryim, one of the biggest drawbacks.



Thank the gods the CK is coming out soon. My PS3 version is going to become a coaster while the modders and the console and creation kit fix the piss poor job Bethesda did at some of the quests and innumerable unkillable NPCs.

I negotiated her into the position lmao >.> funny thing tho that was not what i had intended at all. I almost want to reload and take it back.
FYI I love my home in Solitude its the [BLLEEEEPPPP] to say the least. Yeah its the most expensive but then again I deserve it lol....

No, i would NEVER do that...

1- I wouldn't understand nothing after the dialogues
2- Loose the immersion


I just forgot that i gave Riften to the Empire..

The Black-Briars are dug in too deep. Maven already pretty much ruled the hold in all but name already.

Just accept the fact that Riften is a wretched hive of scum and villany and let it be. Every nation needs it U-bend full of scum to remain clean elsewhere.

Yes, in MY OPINION, Bethesda did a piss poor job on some of the guild and civil war questlines in the game.

EG It would not have taken any time at all for them to explain to me that the former Jarl of Riften that I had a great relationship with and who made me Thane would NOW BE DISMISSED because I sided with the imperials and the person I HATED (Maven Blackbriar) would be put on the throne. That is a terrible instance where something that I didn't want or know would happen and was not explained to me prior and I had no way to stop it or fix it after it happened. I can't stand that in a "choose your own path open world game". At least let me kill Maven afterwards or remove her from power. The game should know that I despise her and was good friends with the old Jarl.

There are WAY too many NPCs that cannot be killed that should be able to be killed such as the opposing faction camp leaders during and after the civil war. There is no reason they need to be kept alive, they serve no purpose. This is irrefutable.

I'm sorry if you are a total Bethesda fan who cannot see any issues or things that may be improved on, but I'm not like that. There are things aside from the glaring bugs that need to be improved. Bethesda did many good things but piss poor jobs on other things too.

Thank you for your opinion that I "do not deserve" to own this game. You can go take a flying leap off a very tall Skryim mountain for all I care.

I'd rather be able to purge the wickedness with steel and flame. The PC can kill evil people left and right, yet when it comes to a mafia boss you're helpless against a toggle.

Pretty sure this is a result of completing the Imperial side of the Civil War.

Tullius says that Maven Blackbriar will take the Jarldom as soon as negotiations are finalized in that discussion.

Yes, she already pretty much ran things, which is evident from the very first Thieves Guild missions.

An outcome that you don't like is not the same as bad writing or poor quests. Choose your own path/sandbox games do not mean that you get everything you want exactly the way you want. Actions have consequences. Sometimes, they're consequences that we don't particularly care for.

All of that said, if you haven't done the Civil War quests, your character could use this as their reason for going Stormcloak. He/she hadn't realized Maven Blackbriar would be given control of Riften, finds Blackbriar utterly despicable and can't believe the Empire would put someone like that in charge while deposing the Jarl you were fond of, etc, so viva la revolution.

...Of course, that might also result in a few Jarls you're fond of in other places being replaced. Such is life.

ye the problem i have with this is the lakeside property and the housecarl that actually cooks for me and stuff...unlike Lydia who just sits in my bedroom in Whiterun making weird noises like some freaky stalker...anyway really hoping for a "clean up riften" mod...except the thiefs guild...which i run...

Yeah, the Black-Briars taking over Riften after the peace negotiations svcks. But I also felt the same way about giving Markarth to the Stormcloaks, who put Thongvar Silver-Blood on the throne, who is basically the Stormcloak, male version of Maven Black-Briar.

Two crappy, greedy, death-worthy families, two different factions. Why, Imperials and Stormcloaks, why oh why would you put them on their thrones? *facedesk*

Ideally, I'd like all the Jarls of the Imperial Victory except I'd leave Lalia on the throne of Riften and I'd kick the Falkwreath Jarl off his throne. Not sure if I'd like Dengeir, as he's a bit too paranoid crazy (a major red flag when it comes to future troubles), but compared to the snot-nosed corrupt little twerp who starts there he's at least an improvement.

Of course, I'd also ideally conquer Skyrim for myself after using my powers of diplomacy to convince the Emperor that placing the Dragonborn on a mostly autonomous Skyrim's throne was in the Empire's best interest. Especially if my Imperial could enter a political marriage with the Medes line, and give them the legitimacy of the Emperors of old due to Dragonborn descent. The Thalmor would be forced to bugger off because Skyrim would be "independent" and everybody could laugh at them until the elves threw a gasket and turned up the heat on their cold war.

the Emperor ? i say his job should be yours by divine right.

Warning ! seriously major spoiler below !

Funny, in the playthrough with my Imperial I...

He's not corrupt, he's an http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/UpperClassTwit.

The altmeri steward Nenya has a handle on running the hold though, thankfully.

Laila Law-Giver is completely useless, she just parrots whatever her puppeteers say to (and her puppeteer is usually... you guessed it, Maven).

You can't eradicate the shady people, if you try, someone else will just pop up in their place. The best you can do is manage them.

I have to agree that it was not bad scripting that makes her in charge. it is the whole "when I want something, bad things have to happen to get it" thing.

I don't like maven much but she has a certain charm. I mean, I am also a thug...I am head of thieves guild.