HATTED. That word is win.
But anyway, I'm assuming you're a Bieber fan then? Because otherwise you would get my point. If you're not but you still don't get it, watch Idiocracy.


No, Oblivion was a sandbox adventure/hack'n'slash game. The game was pretty devoid of meaningful choice. For an example of a game with meaningful choice, see Fallout 1/2. New Vegas also does pretty decently for itself in that regard.

That's NOT why Black Isle closed down. It was entirely Interplay's fault.

:rofl:

I know, that lots of Daggerfall fans, me included, were let down by simplifying different aspects of Morrowind to catch wider range of audience.

Uhh, Morrowind was a huge commercial success, too. Please stop conjuring up facts from nothing through your anti-rose-tinted glasses.

That is not saying much considering the competition it had that year which was practically null. Despite it's best selling rpg category status and it's acclaim, Morrowind did not sell enough copies in 2002 to make the development cycle of 6 years profitable. Sure by the time 2003 came the sales had finally justified the release hence why I said "very nearly a failure".

Oblivion is the worst game ever! It is a blight upon the most venerable RPG series in existence! I whine about it constantly, so it must be true!!

Way to c-c-combo breaker.

Oblivion is the best game ever! I like the graphics!

Divine Divinity, Gothic 2, Neverwinter Nights, etc... no competition? Again, please stop conjuring up facts out of nothing.

You will all probably buy this game regardless then complain that it is not perfect. Whats being argued here really?

ur a whiner... oblivion had a good story... the main story was not the best but it was far from bad? knights of the nine was good... did u not play the shivering isles??? The dialogue was not bad either yeah maybe there wasn't as many options as in morrowind but in morrowind everyone said the same thing. At least there was more unique dialogue. Seriously in morrowind you dont even hear them say it. And you ask them the same things. there was no true variety there. And if you cant play oblivion in different ways with different classes... u r not very good at the game... i played a knight first... went through hacking and slashing. then i played through as a mage and i was using alot of healing and creating spells. avoiding up close battles by any means doing summons. I played with an archer and i used alot of stealth to get things done instead of running up to people or blasting spells at them. i also started using poison at that point too. And maybe oblivion was not full of puzzles but morrowind didn't have puzzles... wut puzzles were in morrowind? none. The level scaling may have slowed some forms of progression but at least it kept u on u rtoes. for one thing i know i went from being killed by horses to being able to fight multiple bears in up close combat and easily win. If thats not progression then my god. You should really stop complaining and whining like all these other people are. they're really stinking up the forums. People love to complain about the most recent edition of something then when the next one comes out they talk about hwo good the last one was and how this one svcks... and u know how i know that? elections... people r telling me bush wasn't all that bad all of a sudden. when he was in office we whined like crap. The whining in this forum is very reminiscent of that and it hink we need to be more constructive then insulting cuz all and all u know u loved oblivion. anyway with that said... oblivion fixed alot of things morrowind shuld have had corrected from the beginning but in turn left some unneccessary things out. so they r about the same quality.

This. Oblivion is a fantastic game in my opinion. If Skyrim is like Oblivion I'll be thrilled. If it's better I'll be even more thrilled.

While I am usually a staunch advocate of 'Oblivion only fell short because of your expectations' I have to agree with the whiners on the story. Maybe the overarching tale wasn't so bad when set against TES's amazing lore, but our part in it was pathetic. KotN and especially SI were big improvements, but compared to MW in which the story revolved totally around the player they were all a huge step back.

Since it appears you're asking if Oblivion's story was far from bad, that would be a no. It was a generic "zomg stop teh deemunz infashun" plot.

Oblivion's main story broke a lot of lore, so it falls short on that regard as well. KotN and SI were attempts at lore damage control. They worked because they brought back some of the old lore writers, which they decided not to hire to work on Oblivion, to contribute to their stories.


You mean you'll be thrilled if it has hordes of bandits clad in Daedric armor, and that the game is easier to play at level 1 than it is at level 20?

Every story could be boiled down to a zomg plot.. Zelda(zomg save the princess again) Resident Evil(zomg zombies) LoTR( zomg destroy the ring)... I dunno what you are argueing here.

I'm "argueing" that my short description describes Oblivion's plot too well without grossly oversimplifying things. That's a bad sign. Oh, wait, I forgot to include the part where you're the Emperor's errand boy in that description. That was an awesome addition to the plot.

+1

Oblivion Cities were also very varied. Almost sounds like the OP has never played the game.

I don't understand the motivation for high level marauders in Oblivion.

They should just sell their Deadric armor and buy a mansion in Anvil, living like princes for the rest of their lives.

I suppose lifting their architecture straight from various regions of medieval Europe constitutes originality... oh wait.

My short descriptions also described the plots well.. you still have bad argument.

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Yes Bethesda seems to learn how to improve games as shown by Morrowind -> Oblivion -> Fallout 3 and hopefully even better in Skyrim (though I perfer Oblivion to FO3, that's more because of the environment vs gameplay or quests)

With all due respect it appears that the original post was simply a way of bashing Oblivion.

I have bad argument?! That must mean I accidentally a bad argument!
Your short descriptions more like point out the underlying archetypes of the stories. The problem I'm pointing out is that Oblivion's plot didn't add all that much on to the archetype of its story.

i don't see how the main story broke alot of the lore considering it was the newest game. So the lore for that section was not completely created yet. maybe its something i didn't notice.

Deleted some posts that were either suffering from a severe caps-lock malfunction or added little to this discussion. Play nice people and let's keep this on topic without resorting to personal attacks.

Personally I liked the depth, story and unique landscape of Morrowind. I enjoyed Oblivion too, but Morrowind had a more lasting impression on me