Well,

i totally agree with the OP as I share the same views on Morrowind as a very original and creative setting and game (with bad combat as only real flaw), and Oblivion as a, simply put, visually boring and bland setting with a combat system that is better that Morrowind's, but becomes boring as well because of lvl scaling and the "hit-him-a-thousand-times-to-kill-him" effect.

I think that the gaming market itself has expressed the desire for unusual games with different setting and game mechanics. Just look at how much copies, for instance, Fallout 3 and New Vegas sold.

Look, I liked Oblivion. It was a good game. It was fun and pretty and a good ride - more streamlined, more user friendly, easier to get into. What it wasn't was a lasting experience. I probably will never play Oblivion again because once you've swung your sword a few hundred times you've really done everything. With Morrowind on the other hand, everything you hear from other people is interesting. There are living gods that see their power crumbling, great houses in a power struggle, the guilds are at each others throats (literally with the fighters and thieves guild) And the temple is fighting the Nerevarine cult. it all feels like everyone has their own problems and you're the one wading through them, while in Oblivion it seems like you're the star of the show (everything leveled to you after all) and nothing in the world matters.

Did Oblivion have better Combat than Morrowind? Yes. But if I wanted to play a game with amazing combat I wouldn't be playing any Elderscrolls game. I play them for the experience I get moving through the world. I was done with Oblivion in a couple years. I'm STILL playing Morrowind because its people, location and story have lasting value.

I'm getting sick of the Oblivion bashing. It becomes especially bad when you see that the good things about Oblivion is being handwaved away and trivialized, just to try and "prove" that Morrowind is in almost every aspect a better game. It's been going on for four years, and it's wearing to both read an join in on. Not to mention that it's childish and helps ruining the forum. Do we really need to keep doing this still? I daren't think what will happen when Skyrim is out, and we have another game to compare and moan about.

Here's an idea, If you don't like Oblivion, you can simply, oh I don't know,Shut up, Get over it, and go back to Morrowind? I love both, they are great games. And Skyrim is going to be awesome as well. This whole "Debate" is just stupid. Bethesda isn't going to throw out all they have for Skyrim to make "TES V:Morrowind 2, In Skyrim!" Either buy the game and enjoy it, or stick to Morrowind. Either way, this "debate" accomplishes nothing.

Took the words right out of my :swear: mouth....Oblivion was the first elder scrolls game I had beaten, and quite honestly one of the best. Morrowind had its moments, but it didn't move me like oblivion did.

Because there isn't a wide open world anymore, because modern games have to have high quality graphical content, which is expensive and takes time and thus cuts the amount of content. See FFXIII, just corridors, pretty corridors, but still just corridors. Personally i'd be happy if the series graphics had never advanced past FF6).

That is actually worrysome with TESV too. If the new engine will have much better looking models and textures the size of the world and content may suffer. Game budgets aren't infinite, and if there is plenty of high quality graphics and famous voice actors, there isn't much left for the "meat" of the game.

In other words don't expect Morrowind 2, but a smaller, yet prettier Oblivion. If that is not what they deliver everyone will be positively surprised

Good >_> I don't want Morrowind 2.

Here's an idea; it's the elder scrolls forums, where we all talk about the games in the series. Should I stop talking because you don't like it? Is it against the rules to like one game more than the other? Is it silly for us to want a developer we like and support to make the kinds of games that we like? Or should we all start drooling, have no input on the games and believe that since something is released later it's therefore an improvement?

It seems pretty simple to me.

Bethesda, as an entity, WILL seek to learn all that it can from Oblivion - both from its successes and its shortcomings, both in the eyes of devoted fans (and other RPG enthusiasts) and in those of the gaming community at large. It will want to improve on the product, and not just in trivial matters, but dramatically... They'll want to make us all go "Wow".

But furthermore, Beth's developers will almost certainly keep their other games in the back of their minds. Arena, Daggerfall, Morrowind, Fallout 3... They still have lessons from each of those, undoubtedly, that they wish to apply to future games. It's not about learning the lesson of Oblivion. It's about learning the lesson from ALL of their games, and trying to find a formula that fits the best of these alongside whatever new elements they wish to introduce and still have a cohesive package.

Because, after all, we are talking about people with pride and dedication. They don't want to spend 5 years on a title for it to be a failure in anybody's eyes. Pride, determination, and yes, even greed will ensure that they deliver to us the game that they think we want to see.

You can easily tell what you want, without needlessly bashing oblivion to get your point across.

Reading comprehension fail. I'm not bashing Oblivion; I liked it. I'm comparing it to Morrowind and saying Morrowind had a superior, longer-lasting experience. I'm also not bashing it "needlessly" (I really don't know what you mean by that) since criticisms leveled at oblivion could impact future decisions that bethesda makes. If enough of their fans don't like bland storytelling and bad handling of diologue sequences then sooner or later they'll probably end up changing it. I don't want Morrowind 2, but I DO was an experience that's more along the lines of Morrowind than Oblivion.

If Justin Bieber is selling millions he's obviously doing something right too, no matter how much he is hatted in some occasions. Your point is invalid.

*Generic Oblivion is bad, Morrowind is best game ever thread*
Will not read. Have a good day sir.

You need to read this, the ignorance threads are good laughs.

It seems to me that anyone not saying "omg Oblivion rulz!" is bashing the game in your opinion. Saying that Oblivion was watered down, lacked depth, and was half the game Morrowind was is NOT bashing Oblivion... its simply pointing out flaws that it had. Oblivion made great strides in the way NPC's were handled, combat, and graphics... but sitting here talking about how great certain parts of the game were will accomplish nothing. In the event Bethesda actually reads the feedback on the forums, its not help to them to sit here and just talk about how great the game was. Instead it helps to point out the games issues, and problems so that the developers know where they need to improve.

Bottom line is Oblivion was a solid game... but not an amazingly great, beyond criticism game. If you think it was, just ignore it when people point out its flaws (and it had a lot of flaws) instead of basically demanding people praise Oblivion and be damned if they say anything bad about it.

Was the wasteland in FO3 randomly generated? Would be interesting to see what approach they took there. Even though the wasteland isn't as varied as a TES setting should be it would be reassuring to know that BGS recognised that randomly generated landscape is boring as ****.

Oh look! These trees are in a slightly different arrangement to the thousands of other very similar trees all throughout the game! How remarkable!

I hope they played Nehrim at Bethesda.

Wow.

My point excatly.
One of the things i really hope they will work on are character models,the fact is that with better head replacer and body replacer mods morrowind models look much more realistic and authentic than those in oblivion.

Yes, they learned with Morrowind, pursued with Oblivion which paved way for Fallout.

I hate haters!

I love Morrowind, but Oblivion was awesome too. It has everything a great game needs (well not exactly everything, since there is always room for improvement, but you get the idea). If something is missing you can work your way around it with mods.

I'll just say GOTY.

P.S.

All that "OH I'M AFRAID THAT THEY WILL DO IT WRONG" bulls**t is annoying as hell. Stop it. They know that they're doing.

Im not worried by that cause i don t play looking at my face, i think there s ton of more relevant issues that need a step back to morrowind and still a great deal of issues that need to be improved from oblivion.

This.

I would like to point out that Morrowind was very nearly a developmental failure. The goal of any business is to increase sales and in that respect Oblivion was a huge success. The highest praise coming for Oblivion is no doubt Shivering Isles, however:



Would you honestly prefer Bethesda to go the way of Black Isle and go bankrupt catering to the hardcoe demographic? Morrowind was great but had Beth made another game that isolated itself from the majority of gamers the way Morrowind did we wouldn't be here discussing the next game to be coming out. Think about that the next time you want to bash Bethesda for their development choices.

My bold, from: http://uk.gamespot.com/xbox/rpg/elderscrolls3morrowind/news.html?sid=6112917&mode=press

Actually, the goal of any business is to maximize shareholder value. But yes, I agree. Since Beth is creating games as part of a business and not some non-profit charity project, they need to cater to the entire market they intend to serve. Especially since these games are becoming so expensive to make. I for one would rather have TES games for years to come, rather than have such a narrow market in mind that TES5 is the last one ever.