Utter Fantastic game. I have never played a better RPG, this beats Oblivion by a long shot.

Except for one... Teeny factor.

I feel like I have put only 30 hours on a character, just to move on. I never did that in Oblivion, I never ran out of things to do.

Is it just me, or is there just a lack of things to do?

Or is it just that good guys miss out on 80% of the games content?

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Not as big of an Issue, but something I've noticed on my travels through Skyrim.

You probably zipped through the game and missed a lot of stuff you aren't "directed" to. That's my problem. I know about certain items that exist because I have discovered them on accident before. But, I don't like going after items unless there's a valid reason. Say, I've read a certain book. A citizen of Skyrim makes a comment. Or maybe, the grey beards have heard a rumbling somewhere.

If you role-played a good guy, you probably missed out on the Thief's Guild and Dark Brotherhood. I don't know.

Oh yeah, explain what you mean by the 30 hour reference. It's not clear. Do you feel like you have to put 30 hours in to get your character respectable?

There really is endless things to do in this game. You can easily play the same character for a few months with the content in this game.

Pretty much.

Only 30 hours into one character? Are you just doing the main quest?

Cheers

I feel quite opposite. I felt I ran out of things to do in Oblivion after everything was said and done and my character was only lvl 30-40ish I believe. I have been playing Skyrim for quite awhile and I still have loads of quests I have not picked up and places I have not explored! What I am looking forward to is the DLC, Always been my favourite kind of DLC from Bethesda.

I am really enjoying Skyrim too, I have been fortunate enough to experience little to no glitches and hardly any crashing (on the Xbox 360). Hopefully the PS3's issues for some of its players will clear up

Theres more light grey and dark grey this time, so i doubt you are really playing a good character unless you decided to skip just about every side quest and only did the radiant quests...

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My first go round with Oblivion I mapped the entire world- and that took a long time. Hard to understand someone finishing Oblivion by level 30ish or so. The Collector quests? City quests? Master of every guild? All caves and ruins explored? Daedric quests?

I'm old and slow so who knows? Maybe you guys and gals are quick.

I'm on my second Skyrim character and he's nowhere close to finishing the game even after the main quest and that's level 35. But I explore a lot and spend time poking around. The guild quests in Skyrim are often quick and the questlines are shorter.

This 'genre' is new- yes, it's been around longer than many of you have been alive if you're only in your twenties, but it's still new. The field will have to develope- maybe just dungeon crawling isn't enough anymore, but Skyrim has it's share and then some. Is is possible that your/our tastes are changing faster than the genre is developing?

Despite what I believe are unneccesary self inflicted wounds by Bethesda, they are still head and shoulders above everyone else. They deserve Game of the Year on open world play alone, though soon that may not enough.

I think I have logged in 30 hours alone on the cooking spit.

This game is full of many things to do. I enjoy every bit of it entirely.

Something I never got: why should you play every factions in order to feel your game complete? A thief shouldn't join the mages and fighter's guild, so he should feel the game offers enough without touching those questlines. You shouldn't "miss" on them, that implies you should do them, that's not how RPGs work, it's not about completion. And that's something that annoys me since Oblivion, they feel like you HAVE to be able to do everything. You can't kill certain NPCs, no skill prerequisites to get up ranks in guilds, etc. You don't even need to be a fighter to be in the fighter's guild, you can be a mage using fire balls all the time, it's not right. And since Oblivion, I feel the game is lacking when following only one faction. Morrowind's faction quest lines were longer, and there were more factions which could appeal to more specific characters, as well as more "generic" characters. So a fighter character could only join the Imperial Legion because he doesn't like mercenary work, or another one could only join the fighter's guild because he hates the empire, or another one can do both.

This.

They are pioneers, but eventually there will be others with equally in-depth games. And they may not have nearly as many bugs for players to put up with.

50ish hours in an have barely scratched the surface.

Do some side quests, explore some, don't be in such a rush to "beat" the game.

There are a few random things you encounter while you roam instead of using fast travel.

I have killed a certain person in a certain quest. Now the followers of the certain dead person want to hunt me down as revenge.

I just wish those random encounters happened more. More interesting side-quests that "encouraged" you to roam about.

Alchemy encourages you to roam because the ingredients along the roads are plentiful. I just need to find a good source of mushrooms.

I lol'd at 4 playthroughs.

Was it fun blindly following gps markers for 30 hours?

I have noticed the factions seem to be too easy to beat.

But so far for me this game seems about the same as oblivion when it comes to amount of time I can see myself putting into one character.

My one big complaint is the lack of perks you can chose.

If you make it to level 50 or so and decide you want to try light armor, well you may like it, but too bad because you won't really be able to enjoy it as much as you would if you chose it from the start...

I thought the motto of this game was "you are who you play" not "you are who you play for the first 30 hours" :thumbsdown:

I think people are missing that much because the are so "streamlined" to quests... By that, i mean, that they think that the only quests in the game are the ones pointed in your map and in your journal.. but no..

Every cave i go, every ruins, every camps, everywhere i go i try to find some "clues".... I mean to find some Journals or maybe a book... and then i read it, and then this Journal for example, didn't activated any quest, there's nothing on my map or my journal, BUT, i read it, and in it it says that e.g the author of the Journal was scared to go on that road because there are lots of Bandits, and that she/he knew they probably stay in a cave nearby that Road. This didn't activated any questlines or anything like that, and then i go and search for this cave, when i find it, i go inside, kill the bandits, and there is another Journal, this one is from the Leader of this Bandits, i open it, this didn't activated any quests, but i read it and it led to kinda a conspiracy of Bandits for example..

This was just an example, but if you don't do that, you are certainly missing alot of the game.. Because this game is not all about this Marked Quests on your map and your Journal... There's so much things to do and explore, that are really interesting, but just if you don't Limit yourself to the "Marked Quests"...

Halldir's Cairn by Falkreath has a shi* ton of them...white cap, namira's rot, bleeding crown, and imp stool. Just cleared it out today.

lol 4 times? i just finished my 1 play, but i agree oblivion was sorta bigger

if i could actually play the game ( i own the game and have a decent comptuter-8gb ddr3....-) but the freaking game keeps crashing i uninstalled it right now and im re-installing it but i've logged about 30 hours on a lvl 20 character (doing smithing) i got my smithing to like lvl 100 in like 3-4 hours of waiting and selling/buying/looting caves so it was pretty awesome, but oblivion was boring, nothing to do at the start. everything was boring in that game after the 1st playthrough...

Got my 170hr save at lvl70 so far... Only just got round to finishing off the main plot around lvl65 as a lot of the side quests are just so compelling.

I for one, am eagerly looking forward to any DLC, although I think the level cap on the skills wil need to be raised. I can't see it being very enjoyable not being able to improve your character throughout the DLC's.
The cap in FONV was even a little too low really. I reached that before finishing 2 of the DLC's.


On a side note, killed a few giants today with nothing but shield bashing (aside from the killing blow of course). Got 70-100 block, 85-100 heavy and 70-100 light from 3 of them.

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If it wasn't for the copious number of bugs, I'm sure this would be the best RPG of all time.

"If it wasn't for the copious number of bugs, I'm sure this would be the best RPG of all time." this is true...i have to 100% agree