Welcome to big business and the money game.


Microsoft/Sony do not care about people, they care about money.

Microsoft has the financial power to do this, and forsees this as rewarding in the long term.

Personally I could care less about the marketing aspect of it, though it would be nice to see what the PC version is capable of. At this point I can only assume that it is not much, since they confirmed PC screens were released and no one even knew the difference. That doesn't bode well for the PC version.

What I do worry about is optimization for the hardware, this includes everything from DX11 features, to proper multi-core usage, to 64 bit compatibility, to game controls and UI's being designed with the proper interface devices (mouse/keyboard) in mind, etc..... I doubt I'll fare any better in those areas than we have the screenshots. Once again we'll have to leave it up to mod'ers to hack in the features needed to make it a proper PC game.

Unfortunately PS3 folks won't be able to do anything for their platform if the port comes out to be less than desirable, only thing I can offer you is my condolences and suggest you buy the PC version where we can at least partially overcome the PC port's inevitable shortcomings.

Wouldn't one need to go through the excruciating process of messing with the source code to mod in 64-bit compatibility, multi-core usage, and possibly certain DX11 features? I don't feel as though any of those things would be easily achievable by modders (as it's not something one does with the construction set)... if at all.

That's why I said partially. :thumbsup: You are correct, those things (64-bit compatibility, proper multi-core usage, and DX11 features) will never be seen in Skyrim. We will be able to introduce things like texture packs and UI redesigns that will (partially) make Skyrim a better PC game, but you are right, it will never be totally complete because of the lack of attention the various ports get compared to the target platform.

I also mean even partially. How does one partially get a 64-bit executable into the game's source code? You either you do or you don't, right?

your right ... they need time for shiping the pre-orders that come from advertising ...
this is true

Bullcrap. The PS3 and the 360 are two different platforms with radically different APIs and hardware architecture while Fallout 3 on the PS3, especially post DLC, was simply a pile of feces. Bethesda's done absolutely nothing to make me think they can make a decent PS3 game... let alone a port to the PS3 completely on par with the 360 version. We do not know what the game looks and runs like because we (implying any of us playing the game on PS3s and/or PCs) because we haven't seen the game. Furthermore, what we do know is that they're focusing on the 360, as is evident by all of Bethsda's actions we're even publicly aware of. Developers have said both will be the same without showing the PS3 version before and they most certainly do not turn out the same. Bethesda have not only, in the past, compeltely discredited any claims of parity they intend to make without evidence, but they've, in general, proven to be poor at porting and technical work, in general. The Xbox version of Morrowind was terrible, the 360 and PC versions of Oblivion were both terrible, the PC and PS3 versions of Fallout 3 suffered unique technical problems with the PS3 version, especially post-DLC, being unarguably disgusting, and now, it's clear that Bethesda are focusing far too heavily on just the 360. Daggerfall wasn't known as Buggerfall for no reason, on top of that. Bethesda has a terrible technical track record... especially with multiplatform games. Until proven otherwise, I stick by my claims of Bethesda's claims being invalid and worthless and I stick by the claim of them having had scammed me out of $60 with Fallout 3's GOTY edition.

Im just glad I have xbox 360, but I want to one day get Skyrim on pc for mods. At the end of the day it is all about the money and who pays them most. If sony gave them loads it would have been all about the PS3 instead.

At this point I'd wish we could still live in pre-historic ages, when there's no rich and poor, there's only skill and life.

Thank you for forming an actual response, at least. I honestly think that everyone will be pleased - for the most part - with how the game runs on every platform. I will admit that you are correct about the past. They don't have a great record; however, this time around, Bethesda has shown (at least to me) that they know how much they need to tell us about the game. (Remember Oblivion?) It is biased information, but as of now, people need to have a little faith in Bethesda. After release, if there are problems, I will admit I was wrong. But until then, I just don't see a huge problem. I understand why it would bother people, but it honestly isn't as big of a deal as some people seem to be making it.

(Don't read this as if I am angry or upset - I have a tendancy to sound angsty when I don't mean to be)

The problem is not necessarily that I'm already convicting the other versions of being terrible, already... but that Bethesda can't expect to make that claim and have people believe it both completely contradictory to their past endeavors and even their current marketing campaign. I have nothing to go by for which I can believe Bethesda... and they haven't done much to alleviate the situation with all this 360-exclusive marketing. Hence, even if it turns out great on the PS3 and PC, I will still personally not admit anything about by my being wrong because this is the only way I, with my personality and personal fears, can possibly react to the situation at hand. I respect your opinion and I really hope you're right, but I simply feel completely justified in my fears, at the moment, and will never admit that my stance was wrong because in the given context, what else can I expect? :shrug:

"You're a slave to the money and then you die. You work your life for money, for something made of value by humans as yourself and then you die. Money is the Apocalypse of Earth and it happened a long time ago, this means that we're already in the afterlife and we're in hell." - Agrin FH.

[censored] money. At this point I'd wish we could still live in pre-historic ages, when there's no rich and poor, there's only skill and life.

I have removed several inflamatory posts. It is fine to disagree as long as you do so in a respectful and civil manner without taking shots at one another. How boring would it be if we all agreed.

I agree! I don't see why they can't just release one screenshot of PS3 and one of PC? Make us shut up and end it. It's so easy for them to do!

We're approximately at one month before Skyrim's release. We still haven't seen any confirmed PS3 or PC screenshots or footage, still only 360 footage, we already know they're going for timed DLC exclusivity deals with Microsoft, they haven't demod the PS3 or supposedly the PC version even once at any of these conventions (including the ones where fans got to try the game out for 15-20 minutes), we have no reviews of the PS3 version and possibly not even the PC version and no reference for how they technically look and run, we already know the 360 is the lead platform and the other versions practically ports, nothing Skyrim-related is coming onto the PSN, any given Bethesda staff member won't even acknowledge the lack of PS3/PC footage and/or the possibility of seeing either before release... or from them, at all. Just today, I found out that the speedruns were exclusively held on the 360 and Bethesda released the list of 360 achievements... but didn't even so much as mention the PS3's trophies and I'm not sure of anything pertaining to Steam achievements.

Arguably, some of these things are minor and even unimportant, depending on the specific subjective view, but my point is more about what, together, they represent and more about the principle of much of it. This game isn't coming across as multiplatform, it's coming across as a 360-exclusive. I... my head's throbbing, but I've reached an all-time peak of frustration when I should be celebrating the game's upcoming release... but I can't because I don't even feel like Bethesda considers anyone playing on my platform or the PC in any of their marketing decisions and few of their technical decisions. They won't show anything pertaining to the other versions and it's really upsetting me. What is this? How much longer do we need to wait? Why is everything relayed the public about the 360 version? This is simply an inexcusable failure on the part of Bethesda's marketing team. They aren't addressing their fans on 2/3 of their supposedly supported platforms. Following what they dared to do with Fallout 3's PS3 DLC (delay, release as technical mess, never acknowledge or patch it) and I just have very little faith in their technical motivation to actually give a crap about something other than the 360 version nor am I getting the message from the marketing that this is a multiplatform game... just a 360 game quickly and haphazardly ported over to the other platforms in an attempt to grab money. What gives?