Help! Crash bug! : III

» Wed May 02, 2012 1:58 pm

So I finally got my setup just the way I wanted it. I got my Merged Objects to run without crashing TESTool. I created a new character, ran them through chargen. All went fine. I gave Fargoth his ring, then went into Arrille's to accept the quest from the Hrisskar's Note mod. I finished the quest, then went back to Arrille's. When I tried to enter the building, the screen hung at load and crashed. Thinking it might've been a quirk from the race mod I was running, I tried again with a Dunmer. Same thing. I tried not doing the Hrisskar's Note quest. I was able to enter only 2-3 times before it hung and crashed. I am at my wit's end trying to figure out just what is causing this. I've undone merges, I've re-merged mods to take out other mods, but it's still happening. There's nothing in my Warnings save the standard "not able to find foot/ankle/knee/upper leg part" messages.

My loadlist, along with what's in my merges, is in the spoiler tag below.

Spoiler

_001_ Morrowind.esm
_002_ Tribunal.esm
_003_ Bloodmoon.esm
_004_ Morrowind Patch 1.6.5 Beta (BTB Edit).esm
_005_ Texture Fix 2.0.esm
_006_ abotWaterLife.esm
_007_ Better Heads.esm
_008_ MetalQueenBoutique.esm
_009_ SG-MW-ecology-BM.esm
_010_ MW_Children_1_0.esm
_011_ TR_Data.esm
_012_ TR_Map1.esm
_013_ TR_Map2.esm
_014_ BT_Whitewolf_2_0.esm
_015_ Hilgya the Seamstress.esm
_016_ Rise of House Telvanni.esm
_017_ Better Heads Tribunal addon.esm
_018_ Better Heads Bloodmoon addon.esm
_019_ Ascadian Rose Cottage DX.esm
_020_ Morrowind Advanced.esm
_021_ Vivec's Fate.esp
_022_ MW_CultOfTheClouds_v10.esp
_023_ Illuminated Order v1.0.esp
_024_ Illuminated Order v1.0 - Bloodmoon Compatibility Extras.esp
_025_ Of Love and Ignorance.esp
_026_ GCD v1.08 with Startscript, fixed [Galsiah].esp
_027_ P.R.E. v4.0.esp
_028_ LGNPC_NoLore_v0_83.esp
_029_ TRIB_witchgirladvent1.esp
_030_ t_lostheir.esp
_031_ Better Bodies.esp
_032_ AK_IndarysGreathouse.esp
_033_ MW_Adv_Required.esp
_034_ Journey's End 1.1.esp
_035_ Windows Glow.esp
_036_ Lgnpc_SN.esp
_037_ Nymeria's Monthly Respawn.esp
_038_ Birthsigns.esp
_039_ master_index.esp
_040_ Theurgist.esp
_041_ LGNPC_GnaarMok_v1_20.esp
_042_ LGNPC_AldVelothi_v1_20.esp
_043_ LGNPC_MaarGan_v1_20.esp
_044_ LGNPC_HlaOad_v1_32.esp
_045_ The Neverhalls.esp
_046_ Appropriate Greetings M - T - 1.5.2.esp
_047_ LGNPC_Aldruhn_v1_20.esp
_048_ LGNPC_Aldruhn_v1_22_suppl.esp
_049_ Scripted_Spells.esp
_050_ Oluhan V1.13.esp
_051_ LGNPC_Pelagiad_v1_31.esp
_052_ LGNPC_TelMora_v1_30.esp
_053_ LGNPC_Khuul_v2_21.esp
_054_ LGNPC_VivecFQ_v2_20.esp
_055_ Syc_AtHomeAlchemy.esp
_056_ Stinkers.esp
_057_ constance1_0.esp
_058_ abotWaterLifeTRaddon.esp
_059_ CM_Minor_Quests_1.2.esp
_060_ ReptileInseparableSiblings.esp
_061_ Book Jackets - Morrowind.esp
_062_ Book Jackets - Tribunal.esp
_063_ Morrowind Crafting 2-1.esp
_064_ Morrowind Crafting Equipment.esp
_065_ Book Jackets - Bloodmoon.esp
_066_ LightTheWay.esp
_067_ LightTheWayBMAddon.esp
_068_ Mzirthu.esp
_069_ Museum of Artifacts Improved Expanded.esp
_070_ Clean Solstheim_Castle_v1.1.esp
_071_ Clean SCastle_LoKKen_Patch.esp
_072_ SG-MW-ecology-BM-plugin.esp
_073_ BT_Whitewolf_2_0NOMaddon.esp
_074_ Siege at Firemoth.esp
_075_ LGNPC_TelUvirith_v1_20.esp
_076_ LGNPC_SecretMasters_v1_30.esp
_077_ LGNPC_IndarysManor_v1_51.esp
_078_ LGNPC_VivecRedoran_v1_61.esp
_079_ AshlanderTentDX.esp
_080_ OTR_Coast_Variety.esp
_081_ Tealpanda's Alchemy Essentials.esp
_082_ The Shrine of Mephala by Westly.esp
_083_ Vurt's BC Tree Replacer II.ESP
_084_ AshlanderTentDX - NOM Addon.esp
_085_ bjam_Aragon_at_MWSEpatch_v1.0.esp
_086_ New Classes V7.esp
_087_ Westly Presents-Altaran.esp
_088_ LGNPC_PaxRedoran_v1_20.esp
_089_ LGNPC_SoulSicknessPatch_v1_00.esp
_090_ Definitive Birthsigns Unofficial Patch.esp
_091_ DB-UP GCD Patch.esp
_092_ BetterClothesForTB.esp
_093_ New Argonian Bodies - Mature.esp
_094_ Texture Fix -TR -1.0.esp
_095_ New Khajiit Bodies - Mature.esp
_096_ BT_Lokken_child1.esp
_097_ LeftGloves_Addon_v2.esp
_098_ Windows Glow - Tribunal Eng.esp
_099_ Windows Glow - Bloodmoon Eng.esp
_100_ Spect Sorcery pt 1.esp
_101_ JAC_Jasmine.esp
_102_ Clean To Serve Sithis_.esp
_103_ Windows Glow - Raven Rock Eng.esp
_104_ Creatures.esp
_105_ BTB - Alchemy.esp
_106_ Westly Presents_Half Races of Tamriel_X.esp
_107_ RoHT CoM Addon.esp
_108_ Magical Missions.ESP
_109_ CoM_Fix.ESP
_110_ Westly_Presents_Kheran_X.esp
_111_ Building Up Uvirith's Legacy1.1.ESP
_112_ WA_Signy_Signposts(!)_TR.ESP
_113_ EcoAdjCrime (Tresspass Edit).esp
_114_ EcoAdjMerchantSkills (Disposition Edit).esp
_115_ NoM_Creatures Loot PHW.esp
_116_ Vality's AI for Vurt's AI.esp
_117_ Stinkers v2 - Ascadian Rose Cottage Patch.esp
_118_ mel_teleportPlugin_1_3.esp
_119_ Stinkers v2 - Provincial Bath Shoppe Alt Plugin.esp
_120_ Uvirith's Legacy_Final_2.0.esp
_121_ abotWindowsGlow.esp
_122_ abotWindowsGlowTR.esp
_123_ BAR_RethanExpansion_v2.2_NoM.esp
_124_ NoM_CoM Compatibility Patch.esp
_125_ sm_ForgottenHalls.esp
_126_ Uvirith's Legacy Book Jackets Add-on.esp
_127_ BTB - Character (Alternate).esp
_128_ Better Clothes Complete (BTB Edit).esp
_129_ BTB - Spells.esp
_130_ Uvirith's Legacy CoM Add-on.esp
_131_ RoHT NoM v3 Addon.esp
_132_ Vality's BC for Vurt's BC.esp
_133_ Vality's Balmora for Vurt's BC.esp
_134_ ARCDX - Lightweight.esp
_135_ ARCDX - NOMv3 Compatible.esp
_136_ ARCDX - Alternative Music.esp
_137_ Dragon Falls V2.esp
_138_ UL_MWSE_patch.esp
_139_ Vurt's Ashlands Overhaul.esp
_140_ TheForgottenShields - Artifacts_NG.esp
_141_ mel_teleportPlugin_1_3_Patches.esp
_142_ mel_teleportPlugin_1_3_JulanAddon.esp
_143_ Merged Clothing Expansions.esp
_144_ Merged Quest Fix.esp
_145_ Merged Domina Armor.esp
_146_ Hlaalu Business v1.0.esp
_147_ PeterBitt_LightRange.esp
_148_ Service Requirements (BTB Edit).esp
_149_ Elemental Magicka II.ESP
_150_ Elemental Magicka II - Of Fire and Frost.ESP
_151_ Elemental Magicka II - MWSE Addon.ESP
_152_ UL v2.0 RoHT v1.52 Compatibility.esp
_153_ KS_Julan_Ashlander Companion_1.3.esp
_154_ NoM_BTB-Settings Compatibility Plugin.esp
_155_ UCArmoryUnique.ESP
_156_ Unique Jewelry and Accessories_no ench.esp
_157_ BTB - Unique Finery Equipment.esp
_158_ Added Creatures.esp
_159_ GAC__replacer.esp
_160_ NoM_BTB-Alchemy Compatibility Plugin.esp
_161_ BTB - Settings (Alternate).esp
_162_ Note to Hrisskar.esp
_163_ Houses.esp
_164_ Stinkers v2 - Mod Compatibility.esp
_165_ Merged Added Clothing Armor Weapons and Items.esp
_166_ MQE_MainQuestEnhancers.ESP
_167_ Face and Hair Combined.ESP
_168_ Replacers.esp
_169_ Merged Fixes and Addons.esp
_170_ NoM 3.0.esp
_171_ NoM_MC Compatibility Patch.esp
_172_ NoM_IO Compatibility Patch.esp
_173_ Merged_Objects.esp
_174_ Merged_Leveled_Lists.esp
_175_ Creatures Merged Objects Fix.esp

Merged Clothing Expansions: Hilgya the Seamstress expansion 1, MQB_AmazonPrincessArmor, MQB_AndromacheBB, MQB_QofH_Colours, and MQB_VictorianGownsAddon

Merged Quest Fixes: EB Actor Quest Fix, MG_Sharn Necro Quest Fix, MV_Slave Mule Quest Fix, and MV_Victim Romance Quest Fix

Merged Added Clothing Armor Weapons and Items: Alakazar's Lamp_no_music, Aleanne Clothing Complete (both Aleanne mods merged), AOF_Undies, Area Effect Projectiles, BadKarma's Anjurin Chest, Clothiers of Vvardenfell, BB2_Silk_Dresses, Bob's Armory 1, Bob's Armory 2, Bob's Banners, Cali_StarstoneOutpost, Cali_StarstoneOutpost_RobeTunicPatch, Aradia's Needle, Arrow Additions, BadKarma Clothing Vendor, Falconer Leather, EB_FemaleVampireOutfit, Faylynns Necklace Pack, Gloves_4_BB2_Silk_Dresses, Long Dresses, Nocturne, PJM themed bowsets, Transparent Red Glass Weapons and Shields, Venom Rose Clothing, Xia's Silk Dragon Imports, Crystal Egg Hunt (Crystal Egg resource and the Uber Crystal Egg Hunt merged), Elvenwear, Exotic Imports by Westly, Eyren_Robes, Ice_ElegantGowns, Ice_GownOfAzura, Kayla's Knick-Knacks, Void Gear, Void Gear Sickle Addon, Morrowind Toy Shoppe, Myrabell's Clothing Emporium, Scissors & Thimbles Merged, Stan's Better Bodies Clothing, The Quixinite, Unique Items - Monster Specific, VA_HissyoKatana, VA_Macha, Westly's Creed of the Assassin, Westly's Night Song Armour, Westly's FCOT, and Widow Maker Crossbow

Added Creatures: A Flock of Seagulls, Where Are All The Birds Going, Cat Companions, Cait's Squirrels, KAGZ Little Foxes, and Cait's Moose

Merged Domina Armor: Divine Domina 1-5, Ice's Steel, Glass, Wolf, and Ice/Nordic Domina cuirasses, and Uvirith's Legacy AshArmor Divine Domina addon

Merged Fixes and Addons: Ald Velothi Fast Travel, barrelbegone (removes the barrels from behind Jiub so that AOF's barrels don't make him jump), Blight Bounties, Bloated Morrowind, Bloodmoon Ammo Fix, Plain Paper Fix, Master Index Journal Fix, Featherweight Soul Gems, King's Oath blade fix, Flora Glow, Her Tamed Lightning fix, Illy's Solstheim Rumour Fix, Mer of Tamriel, Moon-and-Star ring tweak, No CharGen Message Boxes, Soul Gems For Sale, and The Holiday Mod

Houses: Abu Manor, Magus Realm Tower, Pearl Palace, and Seaside Cottage

Replacers: AOF Potions Recolored, Better Bloat, Better Skulls, Better Glasses - Misc, BLLDV, Correct UV Ore Replacer, DM_DB Armor Replacer (BTB edit), Darknut's Unique Ash Vampires, Harem-Style House of Earthly Delights, IceNioLivRobeReplacerPLUS (BTB edit), muffin item fix, K_Scroll_Upgrade, K7_Auriels_Bow_TRIB, Key Replacer, Painkiller's Lucky Coin, Pearls Enhanced - Colored Pearls, Psy's Unique Dremora, SirLuthor's Tools, Slof's Pillow Book, Statue Replacer - Gold, True Gems 1.1, Signy Signposts, Westly's Unique Corprus Stalkers, and Westly's Unique Winged Twilight

Face and Hair Combined: Qarl's Hot Girls 1-3 and Tattooed, Kalian's Nameless Hairs, Corean Hair in Morrowind, Akavir's SW and Kione Hairstyles, Charming Hairstyles 1 and 2, Morrowind Epic Ladies and all addons, most of Emma's facepacks, Westly's Master Headpack, Elaninde, Sil's Long Hair, and I'm probably forgetting a few. This is the only one I didn't keep a listing on because it's never given me problems.

Edited because it's happening even without giving Fargoth his ring. Just lags and crashes.

» Wed May 02, 2012 12:57 pm

Alright, check if it crashes with just the base expansions. If it does, are you using MGE, MCP, EXE optimizer, or another external utility? If it doesn't, use the binary mod checking system. Refer to the link.
http://i44.tinypic.com/zlq34g.png

» Wed May 02, 2012 1:05 pm

It doesn't crash with just the base expansions, and I've been checking the mods since just after 11 PM with no luck whatsoever in pinpointing what the problem is. It runs fine with the masters and everything above 115, so it's gotta be something below that. I thought it was Abot's Windows Glow expansion, but it crashed with just that turned off.

» Wed May 02, 2012 3:57 pm

I don't know if this can help with crashes, but you should load
abotWindowsGlow.esp
OR
abotWindowsGlowTR.esp
As you have TR installed, load just abotWindowsGlowTR.esp

» Wed May 02, 2012 6:51 pm

I don't know if this can help with crashes, but you should load abotWindowsGlow.esp OR abotWindowsGlowTR.esp As you have TR installed, load just abotWindowsGlowTR.esp

abot, it crashes with both active and with either one active. I just tried it with neither active, no crash. It's gotta be something present in both mods.

» Wed May 02, 2012 4:59 pm

It is hard to look for errors without error messages. Try a fresh new game with abotWindowsGlowTR.esp loaded. If it stil crashes from a fresh new game, there's probably some incompatibility with the rest of mod list.
If it works from a fresh new game, there's probably some incompatibility with the saved game.
In this case, try loading and saving the crashing game without abotWindowsGlowTR.espn active, then load the save with abotWindowsGlowTR.esp active and see what happens
No other clues, sorry.

» Wed May 02, 2012 12:46 pm

That's the thing. It doesn't give me any error messages. It crashes off both saved and new games, even when it's the only mod active besides Morrowind/Tribunal/Bloodmoon. I downloaded MGSO so I could grab an earlier version to test (1.1, I couldn't find 1.3 anywhere. If anyone still has that one please let me know!), and that one works fine.

» Wed May 02, 2012 11:52 am

If you load abotWindowsGlowTR.esp with just Morrowind/Tribunal/Bloodmoon, it will crash because it is missing Masters. abotWindowsGlwTR.esp is dependent on Tamriel Rebuilt masters.

» Wed May 02, 2012 7:36 pm

If you load abotWindowsGlowTR.esp with just Morrowind/Tribunal/Bloodmoon, it will crash because it is missing Masters. abotWindowsGlwTR.esp is dependent on Tamriel Rebuilt masters.

The standard version also crashes, and that's the one I loaded with just Morrowind/Tribunal/Bloodmoon.

Edited the first post because it crashes even if I don't give Fargoth the ring. There's just something about Arrille's that the mod doesn't like, which is odd because 1.3 had no problems with it.

» Thu May 03, 2012 12:03 am

Thinking of other, non-plugin things that might affect it, I removed Knots' windows and restored the meshes/textures to the ones that come with the mod in case it took exception to something there, but I still have no progress. It still lags, hangs, and crashes with no error messages.

Does anyone have a copy of 1.3 they can send me? I want to see if there's a difference with that.

» Wed May 02, 2012 9:43 am

I'm going to test this myself. But I run this mod with a few hundred other mods and haven't had a crash. It sounds odd that this mod with nothing else will cause crashes.

» Wed May 02, 2012 8:51 am

Thinking of other, non-plugin things that might affect it, I removed Knots' windows and restored the meshes/textures to the ones that come with the mod in case it took exception to something there, but I still have no progress. It still lags, hangs, and crashes with no error messages. Does anyone have a copy of 1.3 they can send me? I want to see if there's a difference with that.

Should be fixed now, please try the http://abot-morrowind.tk/index.php?option=content&Itemid=10&task=view&id=20.

» Wed May 02, 2012 5:14 pm

Should be fixed now, please try the http://abot-morrowind.tk/index.php?option=content&Itemid=10&task=view&id=20.

Checked on both a new and a save game, both just entering and exiting and running the Hrisskar mod quest. Tried both plugins (not at the same time). Everything checks out. I get into Arrille's fine each time, no more lag or crash! Thank you abot!

» Wed May 02, 2012 11:22 pm

Checked on both a new and a save game, both just entering and exiting and running the Hrisskar mod quest. Tried both plugins (not at the same time). Everything checks out. I get into Arrille's fine each time, no more lag or crash! Thank you abot!

Thank you for your help finding and fixing the bug :twirl: