Hello,

I installed Blood and Mud today and regret to say it crashes every time I try to load an existing save. I can start a new game just fine, but would prefer to play B&M with my existing character.

It's definitely Better Cities - Bravil and B&M that are causing the crash, because I can load an existing savegame with every other mod, including these two (individually) just fine. I've tried using a clean save from the Testing Hall, same result. When I try to load it, I get a CTD w/ the following info:

Application Name: Oblivion.exe
Application Version: 1.2.0.416
Exception Code: c0000005
Exception Offset: 000da2f1

I get this error even when Better Cities - Bravil (B&M) and Blood&Mud are the ONLY mods I run. I'm running Vista 64, though this hasn't cause problems with other mods in the past. My load order is as follows:


00 Oblivion.esm
01 Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm
02 Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm
03 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.34]
04 Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.7b3p3]
05 Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm
06 TamrielTravellers.esm [Version 1.39c]
07 FCOM_Convergence.esm [Version 0.9.9a7]
08 Better Cities Resources.esm
09 Progress.esm [Version 2.2]
0A Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.2.0]
0B UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp [Version 1.0.0]
0C Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
0D DLCShiveringIsles.esp
0E Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.0]
0F Better Cities .esp
10 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp
11 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp
12 Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp
13 Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp
++ FCOM_Francescos.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp [Version 0.9.9]
14 FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp [Version 0.9.9]
15 Fran_Lv30Item_Maltz.esp
16 Natural_Weather_with_darker_Nights_by_Max_Tael_RD.esp
17 Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp
++ phinix-waterfix.esp
++ Symphony of Violence.esp
18 MIS.esp
19 MIS New Sounds Optional Part.esp
1A Atmospheric Oblivion.esp
1B WindowLightingSystem.esp
1C Book Jackets Oblivion.esp
1D RAEVWD New Sheoth.esp [Version 1.5]
1E SI Living Economy.esp
1F Living Economy - Items.esp
++ MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp
20 Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
21 FCOM_BobsArmory.esp [Version 0.9.9]
22 Oblivion WarCry EV.esp
23 FCOM_WarCry.esp [Version 0.9.9]
24 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.34]
++ OOO-Water_Weeds.esp [Version 1.33]
++ OOO-DLT_Remover.esp [Version 1.33]
25 OBSE-Storms & Sound SI.esp
26 FCOM_Convergence.esp [Version 0.9.9]
27 FCOM_RealSwords.esp [Version 0.9.9]
28 FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - More Passive Wildlife.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ FCOM_SaferRoads.esp [Version 0.9.9]
29 Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
2A Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
2B Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
2C Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
2D Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
2E TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp [Version 1.39c]
2F TamrielTravellersItemsNPC.esp [Version 1.39c]
30 ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp [Version 1.39c]
++ ShiveringIsleTravellersFriendlyFactions4MMM.esp [Version 1.39c]
++ FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_Archery.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp [Version 0.9.9]
31 FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ Atmospheric Oblivion - MMM Patch.esp
++ Atmospheric Oblivion - OOO Patch.esp
32 OOO-WaterFish.esp [Version 1.34]
33 Dwemer_Skyship_1_1_0.esp
34 mrSiikas_DwemerTechnology_DwemerSubway.esp
35 za_bankmod.esp
36 Knights.esp
37 Mighty Umbra.esp
38 Blood&Mud.esp
++ FCOM_MightyUmbra.esp [Version 0.9.9]
39 FCOM_Blood&Mud.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_Knights.esp [Version 0.9.9]
3A Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esp
++ FCOM_EnhancedDaedricInvasion.esp [Version 0.9.9]
3B ElsweyrAnequina.esp
++ ElsweyrAnequina - Races HGEC-Robert.esp
3C Natural_Vegetation_200%_by_Max_Tael.esp
3D xuldarkforest.esp [Version 1.0.5]
3E xulStendarrValley.esp [Version 1.2.2]
3F xulTheHeath.esp
40 XulEntiusGorge.esp
41 xulFallenleafEverglade.esp [Version 1.3.1]
42 Anequina-Fallenleaf-Patch.esp
43 xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp [Version 1.2.1]
44 xulChorrolHinterland.esp [Version 1.2.2]
45 xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp [Version 1.6.4]
46 xulBravilBarrowfields.esp [Version 1.3.2]
47 xulLushWoodlands.esp [Version 1.3]
48 xulAncientYews.esp [Version 1.4.3]
49 xulAncientRedwoods.esp [Version 1.6]
4A xulCloudtopMountains.esp [Version 1.0.3]
4B xulArriusCreek.esp [Version 1.1.3]
4C xulPatch_AY_AC.esp [Version 1.1]
4D xulRollingHills_EV.esp [Version 1.3.2]
4E xulPantherRiver.esp
4F Blood&Mud-PantherRiver patch.esp
50 xulRiverEthe.esp [Version 1.0.2]
51 xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp [Version 1.0.2]
52 xulImperialIsle.esp [Version 1.6.5]
53 xulBlackwoodForest.esp [Version 1.0.4]
54 xulCheydinhalFalls.esp [Version 1.0.1]
55 xulAspenWood.esp [Version 1.0.2]
56 xulSkingradOutskirts.esp
57 xulSnowdale.esp [Version 1.0]
58 Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0]
++ Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.0.0]
59 Quest Award Leveller.esp [Version 2.0.1]
5A Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.esp [Version 2.1.0]
5B bgMagicEV.esp [Version 1.7EV]
++ bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp [Version 1.68EV]
5C bgMagicBonus.esp [Version 1.7EV]
++ bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp [Version 1.68EV]
5D bgMagicAlchemy.esp [Version 1.57]
5E SupremeMagicka.esp [Version 0.89]
5F SM_ShiveringIsles.esp [Version 0.86]
++ SM_OOO.esp [Version 0.89]
++ SM_MMM.esp [Version 0.89]
60 SM_EnchantStaff.esp [Version 0.80]
++ SM_UnlockSpells.esp [Version 0.70]
++ SM_Scrolls.esp [Version 0.84]
++ SM_SigilStone.esp [Version 0.83]
++ bgMagicEV_Conjuration_for_Supreme_Magicka.esp [Version 1.5]
61 sycHearNoEvil.esp [Version 1.0]
62 kuerteeCrimeHasWitnesses.esp
63 ProgressRBSP.esp [Version 1.0]
64 ProgressRacial.esp
65 S.P.A.M. 100+.esp
66 _darker_dungeons.esp
67 Better Cities - Full City Defences.esp
68 Better Cities Full - B&M Edition.esp
69 Better Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp
6A Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp
6B Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp
6C Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp
6D Better Cities Full - B&M Edition FPS Patch.esp
6E Better Imperial City.esp
6F Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp
70 Better Cities - No LEYAWIIN Flooding.esp
71 _burning_kvatch.esp
++ Disable Tutorial Text.esp
72 bgMagicLightningbolt.esp
73 OpenGates.esp
74 Bashed Patch, 0.esp
75 Streamline 3.1.esp



I'd appreciate any help offered. Like I said, I can start a new game with no issues, but I'd rather play B&M with my existing character.

Thanks in advance

I installed Blood and Mud today and regret to say it crashes every time I try to load an existing save. I can start a new game just fine, but would prefer to play B&M with my existing character.

I'd appreciate any help offered. Like I said, I can start a new game with no issues, but I'd rather play B&M with my existing character.

Thanks in advance
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Did you do a clean save before you installed updated BC and B&M. If not then try to load a save with BC & B&M deactivated and then do a save in an INN or cave or something away from any city. Exit to desktop and then activate the mods and make sure you run boss and then try to start the game with the save you just made.

Me I would Uninstall BC and Blood and Mud. And then try to start the save game. If there is no problem then go to a spot has nothing to do with any city quest, and do a save and then install B&M and then BC and then try to start the game. If you still have problems the let us know.

I tried to load the game w/ a clean save - same CTD. Created save in testing hall, uninstalled BC and B&M, clean save, installed the mods, crash. Load order with the crash was as posted above. I've tried an OBMM and a BAIN installation and they both crashed the same way.

Have you ran boss if there is any mod conflicts that make you ctd?

I've run BOSS and didn't find any conflicts while looking through the log.

Ok I can't tell what version you are running with either of them B&M or BC now B&M is as updated as it can be inso far as they are done tweeking it. When you try to install using OBMM or bash, does it crash on B&M or BC or both. I would think that maybe you have a corrupted or missing file some where.
1 what version of BC do you have BC had a recent issue with failure to start about 15 days ago and they did another update on the 8th of this month. So down load both resource files there are 2 of them and the main file. Also I would try to DL B&M again and create an OMOD or bain install from them again. If you dont have any trouble with them then do the install and then try to start the game.

Okay... finally got it to run.

For anyone who gets the same problem, here's what worked:

1. Created clean save w/o BC or B&M.
2. Updated BC to 4.60 (thanks Zornac!!).
3. Loaded only B&M, saved game.
4. Loaded both B&M and BC.

For some reason, BC will load onto a BM save, but both won't load onto a clean save. ???

Thanks again.

Yobo