Help, Please! : IV

» Fri May 27, 2011 6:56 am

Hi

I was working, somewhat belatedly, on updating my old Split Expansion beta, but when I went to test the mod in-game, Oblivion crashed immediately on startup.

I tried unchecking every mod, but it crashed again - before even giving me the option to load any saves.

Without actually getting as far as trying to load a save with a missing master, I can't think what could be causing these crashes. It happens every time, whether there are no or all mods checked.

This is my mod-list

Spoiler

Active Mod Files:
00 Oblivion.esm
01 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.69]
02 Kvatch Rebuilt.esm
03 CM Partners.esm
04 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.2.0]
05 DLCHorseArmor.esp
06 Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.0]
07 DLCOrrery.esp
08 DLCThievesDen.esp
09 DLCVileLair.esp
0A DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
0B DLCSpellTomes.esp
0C Knights.esp
0D Pond Cottage.esp
0E DLCShiveringIsles.esp
0F Beautiful PeopleV22 - MaleReplacerV4.esp
10 DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
11 Princess DB Sanctuary.esp
12 BeldaElysium.esp
13 DLCFrostcragBrendan.esp
14 Dwemer_Skyship.esp
15 Princess Passwall Home.esp
16 Borderless_Cyrodiil-3578.esp
17 Natural_Weather_by_Max_Tael.esp
18 Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp
19 PrincessAnvilBasemant 2pt0.esp
1A Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp
1B Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp
1C RoxeyCottage.esp
1D Bashed Patch, 0.esp
----> Delinquent MASTER: Beautiful People.esp
1E PrincessAnvilSeasideCabin.esp
1F Knights Essential.esp
20 Knights Companion Quarters.esp
21 AleswellHomeQuest.esp
22 MountainShack.esp
23 Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp
24 Anoicaar.esp
25 AvaiRii_UnderwaterHome.esp
26 Beautiful People.esp
27 Better Tiber Septim Suite.esp
28 Biotavion On Water.esp
29 Jagnot-SI-Bliss Aquaduct House.esp
2A CaiusCosades.esp
2B Castle_Seaview.esp
2C Clamshell_Cottage.esp
2D Cloudruler Guest Quarters.esp
2E Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.69]
** Cobl Tweaks.esp [Version 1.44]
2F Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63]
30 Cobl Races.esp [Version 1.52]
31 Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp [Version 3.08]
32 DrinksForSale.esp
33 EaglesRest.esp
34 ExnemEyeCandy.esp
35 Fewer Foes.esp
36 GreyTideWC.esp
37 Halcyon Island_lowconflict.esp
38 Blissful_Dreams.esp
39 Hau'oli Paena.esp
3A Hero's Retreat v1.2.esp
3B Kvatch Rebuilt.esp
3C The Lost Spires.esp
3D MadMagesTower.esp
3E Magister Cogitation.esp
3F M.O.E. - Lycanthropy and Lichcraft.esp [Version 7]
40 M.O.E. - Tools of Kagrenac - The Secret of White Gold Tower.esp [Version 6]
41 M.O.E. - Alternative Script Effect Icon I.esp [Version 1]
42 M.O.E. - Alternative Script Effect Icon II.esp [Version 1]
43 M.O.E. - Better Icon for Script Effects.esp [Version 1]
44 M.O.E. - Bone Names and Priced Skull.esp [Version 1]
45 M.O.E. - Ethereal State Spell.esp [Version 1]
46 M.O.E. - Icons for Mythic Dawn Armour - Fix.esp [Version 1]
47 M.O.E. - Levitation Magic.esp [Version 1]
48 M.O.E. - Lock Spells.esp [Version 1]
49 M.O.E. - Lucien Lachance Rumors Fix.esp [Version 1]
4A M.O.E. - Mythic Dawn Powers.esp [Version 1]
4B M.O.E. - New Classes.esp [Version 1]
4C M.O.E. - New Staffs, Blight and Ashstorms.esp [Version 2]
4D M.O.E. - Playable Dremora and Custom Race Fix.esp [Version 1]
4E M.O.E. - Playable Scythe.esp [Version 2]
4F M.O.E. - Realistic Law Enforcement - Part One.esp [Version 1]
50 M.O.E. - Realistic Law Enforcement - Part Two.esp [Version 2]
51 M.O.E. - Realistic Prices, Realistic Weights, No Quest Items.esp [Version 2]
52 M.O.E. - Teleportation Magic and Icarian Flight.esp [Version 2]
53 M.O.E. - The Black Sacrament - Night Mother's Ritual.esp [Version 2]
54 M.O.E. - Travel Services.esp [Version 3]
55 M.O.E. - Undermined Leveled Gameplay - Creature Edition.esp [Version 1]
56 M.O.E. - Undermined Leveled Gameplay - Item Edition.esp [Version 1]
57 M.O.E. - Unlocked Dremora Armour and Robes.esp [Version 1]
58 M.O.E. - Unlocked Glenroy and Captain Renault Blades Armour.esp [Version 1]
59 M.O.E. - Unlocked Hairstyles.esp [Version 1]
5A M.O.E. - Unlocked Palace Guard Armour.esp [Version 1]
5B M.O.E. - Vampire Players Scarier.esp [Version 2]
5C M.O.E. - Visit Valen Dreth Topic.esp [Version 1]
5D NimayaWaterGardens.esp
5E Passwall Adventurers Club.esp [Version 1.0]
5F Prettier Saints and Seducers.esp
60 Princess Battlehorn.esp
61 Princess Cheydinhal House For Sale v1pt1.esp
62 Princess Crate Manor.esp
63 PrincessImperialCityApartment.esp
64 Princess IC Waterfront Shack.esp
65 Princess Sheogorath Palace.esp
66 Ruin.esp [Version 2.50]
67 Rumare River Cottage.esp
68 sixier Sheogorath DV.esp
69 Shadowcrest_Vineyard_COBL.esp
6A exhSIPalacelodge.esp
6B Silorn Manor.esp
6C Sousmarin_manorV1.1.esp
6D The Topal Vessel.esp
6E TheMistRetreat.esp
6F TopalsDeep.esp
70 1em_Vilja.esp
71 CM Partners.esp
72 CM Partners Extra NPCs.esp
73 CM Partners Marker NPCs.esp
74 CM Partners More NPCs.esp
75 CM Partners NPC.esp
76 CM Partners Special NPCs.esp
77 StokerWolff.esp
78 Split Expansion.esp

:edit: Hmm ... what does Delinquent Master mean? It's a very naughty mod? Either way, it shouldn't cause a crash prior to loading a save, surely?

» Fri May 27, 2011 9:18 am

0F Beautiful PeopleV22 - MaleReplacerV4.esp

1D Bashed Patch, 0.esp
----> Delinquent MASTER: Beautiful People.esp
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:edit: Hmm ... what does Delinquent Master mean? It's a very naughty mod? Either way, it shouldn't cause a crash prior to loading a save, surely?

Bashed Patch should be loading last..

Beautiful PeopleV22 - MaleReplacerV4.esp most likely requires Beautiful People.esp..

Check load order to see if any missing masters once again..

You are using Cobl Races which does the same has bp does so why not ditch that unless you have a save the relies on bp once again..

Corepc

» Fri May 27, 2011 1:47 am

"Delinquent master" means "you're missing a master file." Or, in some cases, "the file in question is loading before its master". Like Core said, the BP is in the wrong place.

» Fri May 27, 2011 9:19 am

It happens every time, whether there are no or all mods checked.

Crashing with only the Oblivion esm active sounds as though your suffering from a corrupted game ini.
Rename the one found in My Documents\My Games\Oblivion and you'll generate a fresh one on game launch.
Before you activate your mod listing address that delinquent master.

» Fri May 27, 2011 12:26 am

That's great - thank you! I re-dated the Beautiful People .esp and got rid of the .ini and it worked immediately.

» Fri May 27, 2011 7:05 am

OK - now I've been getting this message all the way through testing:

"rundll32 has stopped working"

This is followed by a CTD on exit.

Now Oblivion won't even load any more. I have once again tried renaming the .ini but to no avail.

This is my current load order

Spoiler

00 Oblivion.esm
01 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.69]
02 Kvatch Rebuilt.esm
03 CM Partners.esm
04 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.2.0]
05 DLCHorseArmor.esp
06 Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.0]
07 Beautiful People.esp
08 DLCOrrery.esp
09 DLCThievesDen.esp
0A DLCVileLair.esp
0B DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
0C DLCSpellTomes.esp
0D Knights.esp
0E Pond Cottage.esp
0F DLCShiveringIsles.esp
10 DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
11 Princess DB Sanctuary.esp
12 BeldaElysium.esp
13 DLCFrostcragBrendan.esp
14 Dwemer_Skyship.esp
15 Princess Passwall Home.esp
16 Borderless_Cyrodiil-3578.esp
17 Natural_Weather_by_Max_Tael.esp
18 Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp
19 PrincessAnvilBasemant 2pt0.esp
1A Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp
1B Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp
1C RoxeyCottage.esp
1D FishermansCottage.esp
1E Bashed Patch, 0.esp
1F PrincessAnvilSeasideCabin.esp
20 Knights Essential.esp
21 Knights Companion Quarters.esp
22 AleswellHomeQuest.esp
23 MountainShack.esp
24 Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp
25 Anoicaar.esp
26 AvaiRii_UnderwaterHome.esp
27 Better Tiber Septim Suite.esp
28 Biotavion On Water.esp
29 Jagnot-SI-Bliss Aquaduct House.esp
2A CaiusCosades.esp
2B Castle_Seaview.esp
2C Clamshell_Cottage.esp
2D Cloudruler Guest Quarters.esp
2E Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.69]
++ Cobl Tweaks.esp [Version 1.44]
2F Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63]
30 Cobl Races.esp [Version 1.52]
31 Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp [Version 3.08]
32 DrinksForSale.esp
33 EaglesRest.esp
34 ExnemEyeCandy.esp
35 Fewer Foes.esp
36 GreyTideWC.esp
37 Halcyon Island_lowconflict.esp
38 Blissful_Dreams.esp
39 Hau'oli Paena.esp
3A Hero's Retreat v1.2.esp
3B Kvatch Rebuilt.esp
3C The Lost Spires.esp
3D MadMagesTower.esp
3E Magister Cogitation.esp
3F M.O.E. - Lycanthropy and Lichcraft.esp [Version 7]
40 M.O.E. - Tools of Kagrenac - The Secret of White Gold Tower.esp [Version 6]
41 M.O.E. - Alternative Script Effect Icon I.esp [Version 1]
42 M.O.E. - Alternative Script Effect Icon II.esp [Version 1]
43 M.O.E. - Better Icon for Script Effects.esp [Version 1]
44 M.O.E. - Bone Names and Priced Skull.esp [Version 1]
45 M.O.E. - Ethereal State Spell.esp [Version 1]
46 M.O.E. - Icons for Mythic Dawn Armour - Fix.esp [Version 1]
47 M.O.E. - Levitation Magic.esp [Version 1]
48 M.O.E. - Lock Spells.esp [Version 1]
49 M.O.E. - Lucien Lachance Rumors Fix.esp [Version 1]
4A M.O.E. - Mythic Dawn Powers.esp [Version 1]
4B M.O.E. - New Classes.esp [Version 1]
4C M.O.E. - New Staffs, Blight and Ashstorms.esp [Version 2]
4D M.O.E. - Playable Dremora and Custom Race Fix.esp [Version 1]
4E M.O.E. - Playable Scythe.esp [Version 2]
4F M.O.E. - Realistic Law Enforcement - Part One.esp [Version 1]
50 M.O.E. - Realistic Law Enforcement - Part Two.esp [Version 2]
51 M.O.E. - Realistic Prices, Realistic Weights, No Quest Items.esp [Version 2]
52 M.O.E. - Teleportation Magic and Icarian Flight.esp [Version 2]
53 M.O.E. - The Black Sacrament - Night Mother's Ritual.esp [Version 2]
54 M.O.E. - Travel Services.esp [Version 3]
55 M.O.E. - Undermined Leveled Gameplay - Creature Edition.esp [Version 1]
56 M.O.E. - Undermined Leveled Gameplay - Item Edition.esp [Version 1]
57 M.O.E. - Unlocked Dremora Armour and Robes.esp [Version 1]
58 M.O.E. - Unlocked Glenroy and Captain Renault Blades Armour.esp [Version 1]
59 M.O.E. - Unlocked Hairstyles.esp [Version 1]
5A M.O.E. - Unlocked Palace Guard Armour.esp [Version 1]
5B M.O.E. - Vampire Players Scarier.esp [Version 2]
5C M.O.E. - Visit Valen Dreth Topic.esp [Version 1]
5D NimayaWaterGardens.esp
5E Passwall Adventurers Club.esp [Version 1.0]
5F Prettier Saints and Seducers.esp
60 Princess Battlehorn.esp
61 Princess Cheydinhal House For Sale v1pt1.esp
62 Princess Crate Manor.esp
63 PrincessImperialCityApartment.esp
64 Princess IC Waterfront Shack.esp
65 Princess Sheogorath Palace.esp
66 Ruin.esp [Version 2.50]
67 Rumare River Cottage.esp
68 sixier Sheogorath DV.esp
69 Shadowcrest_Vineyard_COBL.esp
6A exhSIPalacelodge.esp
6B Silorn Manor.esp
6C Sousmarin_manorV1.1.esp
6D The Topal Vessel.esp
6E TheMistRetreat.esp
6F TopalsDeep.esp
70 1em_Vilja.esp
71 CM Partners.esp
72 CM Partners Extra NPCs.esp
73 CM Partners Marker NPCs.esp
74 CM Partners More NPCs.esp
75 CM Partners NPC.esp
76 CM Partners Special NPCs.esp
77 StokerWolff.esp
78 Split Expansion.esp

I'm sure the order could be better - for one, Exem's bodies don't show up in game (I'm stuck with the defaults) so I don't know what's going on there. I don't know if all that flipping back and forth between the SI .esp and .esm has just somehow completely destroyed my game.

Also, please could I just send the .esp file to one person just for them to quickly check it loads up OK? If you could just PM me with your email address, I'd be very grateful.

» Thu May 26, 2011 11:25 pm

Run BOSS on this load order. Also, Salmo the Baker may still cause crashes for some people. Try the unchecking mods process again once your load order is fixed.

» Fri May 27, 2011 3:58 am

Yikes - that all looks a bit complicated for my brain to cope with at the moment (installing this that and the other).

I mostly just want Oblivion to run. At all. The last time this happened, even after unchecking EVERY mod, it would not load up at all. :sad:

» Thu May 26, 2011 8:10 pm

Yikes - that all looks a bit complicated for my brain to cope with at the moment (installing this that and the other).

I mostly just want Oblivion to run. At all. The last time this happened, even after unchecking EVERY mod, it would not load up at all. :sad:

It is surprising how much a correct load order can fix. I do not suggest trying to look for solutions until that has been taken care of because you may not have any real mod-related problems. Maybe you should read http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/walkthroughs/bain-installation-of-modded-oblivion/part-ii-before-installing-mods. What OS are you using? I think I need to update the instructions there, but I hope it is helpful.

» Fri May 27, 2011 7:03 am

Well, my current problem is that even with no mods active Oblivion will not run at all.

That says that load order is only a tiny part of my problem. It's probably not even a problem at all. I just want the game to run - I do not want to spend more time messing around, installing libraries and systems and utilities and then spending hours and hours and hours just trying to get it to work. I ended up this way with Morrowind and you know what happened? I just stopped playing it altogether - I got so fed up with all the hassle of trying to get it to work that I abandoned the game altogether, which is obviously not the best solution here. Please, I just want my problem solved!

... which is currently that - mods or no mods - the game is just not working.

Thanks for all your advice, anyway. :sad:

» Fri May 27, 2011 8:29 am

rundll32.exe is a windows file.

Possibly it might be corrupted and need to be replaced, or one of the DLLs that Oblivion uses needs to be replaced.

Other than the original Bethesda ones, the only DLLs you are likely to be running are from OBSE.

So, if you haven't got OBSE running, then you'll probably want to try to restore the rundll32.exe file from Windows, or the dll files that come with Oblivion. Maybe do an install on another computer and copy the dll files from that install.

» Fri May 27, 2011 12:01 am

maybe a clean install with help ya, i had the same thingh happen and after a clean install its working fine. i thinks BOSS will help more than you think as well, your load order looks a little weird, IMO. bashed patch should be loading much closer to the bottom of the list. do you have SI installed as well? i dont see DLCshiveringisles in your LO. may i also suggest unofficial patches for your DLC?

» Fri May 27, 2011 11:55 am

I also agree with doing a http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/walkthroughs/bain-installation-of-modded-oblivion/part-0-uninstalling-oblivion since whatever this is happened.

» Thu May 26, 2011 9:13 pm

I've uninstalled/reinstalled Oblivion. It is at least starting again. How infuriating!

Thanks for the advice, anyway.

» Fri May 27, 2011 10:44 am

Oh, my mistake:

It's fried. Completely fried. I have completely uninstalled the whole of Oblivion, and then reinstalled everything again from scratch, and now it just will not work at all. It doesn't matter if it's with mods or without mods - so I'm going to move this topic to Hardware & Software to see if there's any saluaging my game at all.

:cry:

» Thu May 26, 2011 9:59 pm

Oh, my mistake:

It's fried. Completely fried. I have completely uninstalled the whole of Oblivion, and then reinstalled everything again from scratch, and now it just will not work at all. It doesn't matter if it's with mods or without mods - so I'm going to move this topic to Hardware & Software to see if there's any saluaging my game at all.

:cry:

Could you post your OS (including Service Pack #, if any, and whether it's 32- or 64-bit, Premium/Professional, etc.), hardware specs (at least the basics, like CPU, RAM, graphics card(s), hard drives), and also graphics card driver and DirectX details... ?

I'm not sure what to suggest without that kind of info (at the bare minimum).

» Fri May 27, 2011 8:38 am

:EDIT: OF ALL THE ... !

:blink:

:facepalm:

It was the latest Mass Effect 2 DLC all the time! I did a system restore, and everything worked - but after painstakingly reinstalling Oblivion and all its mods, I then installed the DLC for ME2 and suddenly it fell over again.

I uninstalled Mass Effect 2, everything suddenly works again. I reinstalled ME2 except for the last two DLCs and everything works.

I think we can consider this case closed.

Thanks for the advice, everyone.