Hey there Everyone.

I just got Oblivion on the recent Steam deal and have had a hell of a time trying to get mods to work. Everytime I try to play the game, it also crashes at the main menu.

A friend told me that, after exhausting all options, to talk to you guys!

So, first my load order:

Oblivion.esm
Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm
Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm
Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm
FCOM_Convergence.esm
Mart's Monster Mod.esm
All Natural Base.esm
HorseCombatMaster.esm
Cobl Main.esm
Better Cities Resources.esm
Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
Cheat Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
Oblivion WarCry EV.esp
Francesco's level up mini mod - Slower skills x1.5.esp
Francesco's 10 days respawn time - 1-20 day lenght rescale.esp
Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp
Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp
DLCHorseArmor.esp
DLCThievesDen.esp
DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
DLCFrostcrag.esp
DLCOrrery.esp
DLCVileLair.esp
DLCSpellTomes.esp
DLCShiveringIsles.esp
Knights.esp
Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp
DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp
Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp
DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp
Harvest [Flora].esp
Living Economy.esp
Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp
Living Economy - Items.esp
Cutthroat Merchants.esp
OOO-WaterFish.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - No Carrion Rats.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp
Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp
FCOM_BobsArmory.esp
FCOM_Convergence.esp
FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp
FCOM_RealSwords.esp
FCOM_WarCry.esp
Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp
P1DkeyChain.esp
All Natural.esp
All Natural - Real Lights.esp
All Natural - SI.esp
Let There Be Darkness - Cyrodiil.esp
Let There Be Darkness - Cyrodiil + SI.esp
Let There Be Darkness - Knights.esp
Let There Be Darkness - Mehrunes Razor.esp
WindowLightingSystem.esp
Oblivion XP.esp
RenGuardOverhaul.esp
Deadly Reflex 5 - Timed block and 150% damage.esp
DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp
SupremeMagicka.esp
SM_ShiveringIsles.esp
SM_EnchantStaff.esp
MidasSpells.esp
Cobl Glue.esp
Cobl Si.esp
Cobl Races.esp
Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp
OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp
Better Cities - Full City Defences.esp
MMM-Cobl.esp
Better Cities Full.esp
Better Imperial City.esp
Better Cities - COBL.esp
Better Cities Full FPS Patch.esp
Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp
Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp
Better Cities - No LEYAWIIN Flooding.esp
Better Cities .esp

get Wrye Bash and BOSS (Better Oblivion Sorting Software) + FCOM is hard to install

Yeah, I have both of those. All mods were installed with OMM.

have you made a Bashed Patch?
And you need to run BOSS

Yeah, I've made a bash patch and I've run BOSS.

Did you install all those at once? If so there's bound to be a conflict somewhere. FCOM is probably the mian culprit though. I'd try disabling FCOM and its parts and see if that works.

Don't you need OOO to run FCOM? :shrug:

Unless there is a different OOO, it's in there and it's activated.

If you run Wrye Bash, go to the Mods tab, right click on the "File, etc." bar just above the mods (and below the tabs), click on "List Mods...", then select everything in the box that comes up and copy/paste it verbatim (i.e., including the tags at beginning and end) into a new or existing post, that would help immensely.

It's the best and easiest way to post a *proper*, *detailed* load order on forums such as this.

Installing FCOM with all proper downloads and running BOSS + building the bash patch would not be a culprit and it is absurd to think so. This advice is way off the mark .

FCOM is an acronym for Frans+warCry+Ooo+Mmm so those parts are needs. Especially OOO as it is more less the BASE for FCOM .

If you are having difficulty installing FCOM , I sugest posting for help in the FCOM thread as there are many users there to assist as well as only doing a basic FCOM install before adding in non-FCOM mods.

Alright, detailed load order straight from Wyre Bash:

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm02  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm03  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]04  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 0.9.9.5]05  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9a7]06  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]07  HorseCombatMaster.esm08  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]09  Better Cities Resources.esm0A  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp0B  Cheat Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp0C  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp0D  Francesco's level up mini mod - Slower skills x1.5.esp0E  Francesco's 10 days respawn time - 1-20 day lenght rescale.esp0F  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.6]10  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]11  DLCHorseArmor.esp12  DLCThievesDen.esp13  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp14  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp15  DLCFrostcrag.esp16  DLCOrrery.esp17  DLCVileLair.esp18  DLCSpellTomes.esp19  DLCShiveringIsles.esp1A  Knights.esp1B  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]1C  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]1D  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]1E  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]1F  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]20  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]21  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]22  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]23  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]24  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]++  OOO-Water_Weeds.esp  [Version 1.33]25  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]26  Living Economy.esp++  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]27  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]28  Living Economy - Items.esp29  Cutthroat Merchants.esp2A  OOO-WaterFish.esp  [Version 1.34]2B  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]2C  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]2D  Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]2E  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]2F  Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]30  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Reavers.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - More Passive Wildlife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]31  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Adventurers.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Beholdens.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Blood.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Bone Loot.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]32  Mart's Monster Mod - No Carrion Rats.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Fiends.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Giants.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Lanterns.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Pests.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Reavers.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Slimes.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Swarms.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Undead Rise.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Werewolves.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]33  Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]34  Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]35  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]36  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]37  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]38  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]39  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9]3A  Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp  [Version 3.1.1]3B  P1DkeyChain.esp  [Version 5.00]3C  All Natural.esp  [Version 0.9.9.5]3D  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 0.9.9.5]3E  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 0.9.9.5]3F  Let There Be Darkness - Cyrodiil.esp40  Let There Be Darkness - Cyrodiil + SI.esp41  Let There Be Darkness - Knights.esp42  Let There Be Darkness - Mehrunes Razor.esp43  WindowLightingSystem.esp44  Oblivion XP.esp  [Version 4.1.5]45  RenGuardOverhaul.esp46  Deadly Reflex 5 - Timed block and 150% damage.esp47  DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp48  SupremeMagicka.esp  [Version 0.90]49  SM_ShiveringIsles.esp  [Version 0.86]++  SM_Scrolls.esp  [Version 0.84]++  SM_SigilStone.esp  [Version 0.83]++  SM_DLCSpellTome.esp  [Version 0.80]4A  SM_EnchantStaff.esp  [Version 0.80]++  SM_NoSpellLights.esp  [Version 0.70]++  SM_OOO.esp  [Version 0.89]++  SM_MMM.esp  [Version 0.89]++  SM_VanillaSpells.esp  [Version 0.86]++  SM_UnlockSpells.esp  [Version 0.70]++  SM_DeadlyReflex.esp  [Version 0.86]4B  MidasSpells.esp4C  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]4D  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]4E  Cobl Races.esp  [Version 1.52]++  Cobl Races - Balanced.esp  [Version 1.52]4F  Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp  [Version 01]50  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]51  Better Cities - Full City Defences.esp52  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.69]53  Better Cities Full.esp54  Better Imperial City.esp55  Better Cities - COBL.esp  [Version 2]56  Better Cities Full FPS Patch.esp57  Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp58  Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp59  Better Cities - No LEYAWIIN Flooding.esp5A  Bashed Patch, 0.esp5B  Better Cities .esp

Also, I forgot to say that I can play the opening logo but I cannot even get into the main menu.

Your load order is off. Run BOSS to manage it. As for your crashes on startup (as I understood it), check Wrye Bash for mods that are marked red, which means they are missing a master - which leads to CTD's on startup. If that's not it, try deleting your Oblivion.ini in My Documents/My Games/Oblivion and let the game generate a new one on startup.

Hm. The only thing I can (still) see straight away is stuff like No Bone Loot plus Less Bone Loot, or No Reavers plus Less Reavers - these are one or the other types deals.

Better Cities .esp looks out of place to me, but I'm not sure that would even matter.

Cheats Bob's Armory and the normal one...? I think that's a conflict too.

I have a feeling some mods should be deactiveted, post being imported, but I can't recall which, if any.

Have you read bosslog.txt, and used the latest versions of Wrye Bash, BOSS and the masterlist.txt ?


edit: Also, another quick and useful Wrye Bash function is "Mod Checker" (just click on its icon in the status bar of WB) - this will tell you quite a lot about what needs to be activate/deactivated, among other things. It's not perfect, always, but it can be handy.

You've got OBSE-dependent mods in there, make sure you've got that and are launching from it.

Replace Living Economy and Cutthroat Merchants with Enhanced Economy.

Fran's Level Up Mini-Mod is redundant with OOO, and the 10-days respawn should probably be removed... it sounds like a good idea but Oblivion resets the timer every time you enter a cell, so places you visit frequently will basically never respawn.

As others have said, crashing before you hit the main menu is usually caused by a missing master (.esm) required by one of your other mods.

Okay, new, cleaned up load order:

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 0.9.9.5]02  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm03  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm04  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]05  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]06  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]07  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9a7]08  Better Cities Resources.esm09  HorseCombatMaster.esm0A  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.6]0B  DLCShiveringIsles.esp0C  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]0D  Better Cities .esp0E  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]0F  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]10  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 0.9.9.5]11  All Natural.esp  [Version 0.9.9.5]12  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 0.9.9.5]13  WindowLightingSystem.esp14  Living Economy.esp15  Living Economy - Items.esp16  Cutthroat Merchants.esp17  DLCHorseArmor.esp18  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]19  DLCOrrery.esp1A  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]1B  DLCVileLair.esp1C  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]1D  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp1E  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]1F  DLCSpellTomes.esp20  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]21  DLCThievesDen.esp22  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]23  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]24  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]25  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]26  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]27  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp28  Cheat Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp29  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]2A  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp2B  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9]2C  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]2D  OOO-Water_Weeds.esp  [Version 1.33]2E  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9]2F  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]30  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - More Passive Wildlife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]31  Mart's Monster Mod - No Pests.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Swarms.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]32  Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]33  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Reavers.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Blood.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Bone Loot.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Giants.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Undead Rise.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Slimes.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Fiends.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Werewolves.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Lanterns.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Adventurers.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Beholdens.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Reavers.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]34  Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]35  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]36  Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]37  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]38  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]39  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3A  Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3B  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]3C  OOO-WaterFish.esp  [Version 1.34]3D  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.69]3E  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp3F  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]40  DLCFrostcrag.esp41  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]42  Knights.esp43  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]44  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]45  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]46  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]47  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]48  P1DkeyChain.esp  [Version 5.00]49  Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp  [Version 3.1.1]4A  SupremeMagicka.esp  [Version 0.90]4B  SM_ShiveringIsles.esp  [Version 0.86]4C  SM_DLCSpellTome.esp  [Version 0.80]4D  SM_OOO.esp  [Version 0.89]4E  SM_MMM.esp  [Version 0.89]4F  SM_EnchantStaff.esp  [Version 0.80]++  SM_VanillaSpells.esp  [Version 0.86]50  SM_UnlockSpells.esp  [Version 0.70]++  SM_NoSpellLights.esp  [Version 0.70]51  SM_Scrolls.esp  [Version 0.84]52  SM_SigilStone.esp  [Version 0.83]53  MidasSpells.esp54  RenGuardOverhaul.esp55  Deadly Reflex 5 - Timed block and 150% damage.esp56  DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp57  SM_DeadlyReflex.esp  [Version 0.86]58  Oblivion XP.esp  [Version 4.1.5]59  Francesco's level up mini mod - Slower skills x1.5.esp5A  Let There Be Darkness - Cyrodiil.esp5B  Let There Be Darkness - Cyrodiil + SI.esp5C  Let There Be Darkness - Knights.esp5D  Let There Be Darkness - Mehrunes Razor.esp5E  Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]5F  Cobl Races.esp  [Version 1.52]60  Cobl Races TNR.esp  [Version 1.53]61  Cobl Races TNR SI.esp  [Version 1.53]62  Cobl Races - Balanced.esp  [Version 1.52]63  Better Cities - Full City Defences.esp64  Better Cities Full.esp65  Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp66  Better Imperial City.esp67  Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp68  Better Cities - COBL.esp  [Version 2]69  Better Cities Full FPS Patch.esp6A  Better Cities - No LEYAWIIN Flooding.esp6B  Francesco's 10 days respawn time - 1-20 day lenght rescale.esp6C  Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp  [Version 01]6D  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

Also, I have OBSE installed.

Less Bone Loot or No Bone Loot: pick one.

Otherwise - though I might not be picking up on some other glaring issue - I'd suggest rebuilding the Bashed Patch, and deactivating any mods that should be so. With any luck, it'll work.