» Mon Dec 10, 2012 4:22 am I am getting a new computer and want to start with a complete new Oblivion install. I am going to base my install off the one I am currently using, but would like advice in three areas. I will install from the 5th Anniversary disks, to include SI and KOTN.
First request is for help with utilities. Here are the files I will use to manage / tweak my mods:
1. Wrye Bash - I will go with a complete BAIN install. (No offense intended for OBMM - a remarkable utility that got me through the first 4 years of Oblivion.
2. OBSE
3. TES4Edit or TES5Edit
4. BOSS
5. BOSS Userlist Manager
6. Oblivion Construction Set
7. Oblivion Construction Set Extender
8. Formid Finder
9. OBSE Elys Plugger
10. OBSE Elys Uncapper - I understand that there are several people who prefer AV Uncapper and I may give it a try, but Elys has always worked well for me.
Question 1: Are there any other mods / programs I need to manage my mods?
Question 2: How do I clean UDR dirty edits? I have had no trouble cleaning the ITM entries, but when I reopen the file in TES4Edit and attempt to click on the Undelete and Disable References option, I get an error telling me that the "Conflict status inherited by parent" filter is active - even though when I click on the apply filter button the Conflict status inherited by parent box is not checked.
Second request is for help with Installation Order (vice mod load order). This is the order in which I installed my current BAIN packages:
Bain Packages:
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++ 000 - Unofficial Oblivion Patch 342.zip (8B06E27E) (Installed)++ 001 - Unofficial_Shivering_Isles_Patch_v1_5_0_Manual_Version.7z (E3743CC4) (Installed)++ 002 - Unofficial Patch for Knights of the Nine.rar (7CBA523B) (Installed)++ 003 - Francescos_Creatures_and_Items_-_V5B1-40190-5-0B1 BAIN.rar (051DAA93) (Installed)++ 004 - OOO v1-35.rar (A761A116) (Installed)++ 005 - Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul - Harvest Containers - SI.7z (9A400259) (Installed)++ 006 - Oblivion WarCry EV.zip (7C77E994) (Installed)++ 007 - Bob's Armory.zip (D34057DE) (Installed)++ 008 - MMM v 3-8.zip (0B55D796) (Installed)++ 009 - Cobl_172-21104 Modified for my use.rar (0C4B7C6C) (Installed)++ 010 - Cobl_Cosmetics_Res_01-21104.7z (C1254BEC) (Installed)++ 011 - MMM-Cobl (1).7z (9478B271) (Installed)++ 012 - Loot-Drop-Merchant_changes_Proposal-21104.7z (A95C9B6F) (Installed)++ 013 - MMM Runeskull Rebalance Beta 2 Release.rar (3402B8AB) (Installed)++ 014 - tamrieltravellers139c.rar (05B86D78) (Installed)++ 015 - Enhanced_Daedric_Invasion_REL_1_3-9858.rar (F817C533) (Installed)++ 016 - Mighty Umbra.rar (71D158E1) (Installed)++ 017 - Better ArmoryLab_esp_Merged_V41_RECOMMENDED-3791.rar (709D5E36) (Installed)++ 018 - Ingredients_in_Bulk-12313.zip (98E015BF) (Installed)++ 019 - Qarls_Harvest-8113.rar (3243ABC0) (Installed)++ 020 - Town_Ceremonial_Armor.7z (B139B125) (Installed)++ 021 - OMOBS_Shivering_Isles-28537 (1).rar (77C8070E) (Installed)++ 022 - Imperial_Furniture_Renovated_1_3a-33996 (1).rar (FC0BC28E) (Installed)++ 023 - Mysteries of the Dulan Cult.rar (630B4DB0) (Installed)++ 024 - FCOM v 1-0.rar (EACFD1A4) (Installed)++ 025 - Ancient_Goblin_City-4843.7z (BCF8A7E4) (Installed)++ 026 - Archery Shops v2-0.zip (D8FA292C) (Installed)++ 027 - Shady Sam Enhanced Fence.rar (C28C5775) (Installed)++ 028 - Elsweyr Anequina Mod v-25023.7z (1A2C69A4) (Installed)++ 029 - Bank_of_Cyrodiil-3172.rar (5F76C42D) (Installed)++ 030 - UL_-_Imperial_Isle-9531-1-6-7.7z (BD00F579) (Installed)++ 031 - ModMans Custom Plugins - Modified.rar (5B47FBF6) (Installed)++ 032 - More_Merchant_Money_balanced-2387.zip (52FCBF62) (Installed)++ 033 - Movable_Bodies.zip (CF95A913) (Installed)++ 034 - Gather_Ye_Rosebuds_1_1-14259.rar (518F05B3) (Installed)++ 035 - Poison_Combiner_v1.0-11183.rar (493468EB) (Installed)++ 036 - DirenniAlchemyApparatusModv11.zip (DF15C190) (Installed)++ 037 - EssenceExtracter.zip (F5B0AB10) (Installed)++ 038 - Ivellon-1-7a Patched to v 1-8.rar (A1D3BF53) (Installed)++ 039 - Poison Ivy Enhanced.rar (79791F16) (Installed)++ 040 - DenockArrow-9333-1.zip (61C1D746) (Installed)++ 041 - BTmodv220-1825.rar (24AAFD2A) (Installed)++ 042 - DarkUI_d_DarN_1.5.5.7z (7502952D) (Installed)++ 043 - DarNifiedUI_Config_Addon_v1x4-34792-1.7z (E5C34F7D) (Installed)++ 044 - Wrye_Bash_ini_Tweaks_For_DarkUI_Darn-35230.7z (57A6FFF1) (Installed)++ 045 - Wrye_Bash_ini_Tweaks_Xtras-35230.7z (99C76800) (Installed)++ 046 - Mighty Bows Mods Set.rar (EA150927) (Installed)++ 047 - 1st_Alchemy_Companion_Julienne-39036-6-4.rar (D81B7BD1) (Installed)++ 048 - All_Spells_Avalible_for_Enchanting_and_Spell_Making-25372.rar (3FFB075E) (Installed)++ 049 - No_Merchant_Barter_pvssyr-4385.zip (6AAC1C8B) (Installed)++ 050 - Compleat_Enchanter14.rar (356922AF) (Installed)++ 052 - Obico's Ingredient Increaser v 1.1.rar (19E3A6C4) (Installed)++ 053 - Rasor Archer Pack.zip (BB6E9781) (Installed)++ 054 - Golden Arrow Fixed Plus.rar (22377854) (Installed)++ 055 - Retro_Crafting_Fletching.rar (DD6DECC3) (Installed)++ 056 - Ayleid_Wells-39926.7z (358E6C14) (Installed)++ 057 - Landmarks_w_Wells_1-11-5475.zip (3C033F2A) (Installed)++ 058 - Smarter_Mercantile_Leveling_v165-10947.zip (102D4318) (Installed)++ 059 - Formid Finder 451-16704.rar (3F338492) (Installed)++ 060 - Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot beta Place After Bashed Patch.rar (323036E6) (Installed)++ 061 - Weapons Of The Fallen Heroes v 1.3.rar (F0141888) (Installed)++ 062 - Weapons of the Nine v 2-3.rar (C64150FF) (Installed)++ 063 - Silgrad Tower v 4-0.zip (AE7B482F) (Installed)++ 064 - Persuasion Overhaul-5403.zip (3BE62A9D) (Installed)++ 065 - Ring of Atmospherancy-1810.zip (4380E6DD) (Installed)++ 066 - Ring of Chameleon in Chorrol-5232.rar (F2F33DD6) (Installed)++ 067 - Ring of Feather 1000-1934.zip (AB747F11) (Installed)++ 068 - Grandmaster of Alchemy v 3-16441.rar (72EDE6C1) (Installed)++ 069 - Vacuity 03-29283.rar (9E8FED13) (Installed)++ 070 - Alchemy_Advanced-25226-1-3 - BAIN ready.7z (5EDA9F41) (Installed)
I am getting no error messages or warnings from BOSS, but my game crashes a lot, my alchemy advanced display goes haywire from time to time (no longer displays apparatus a/o ingredients) and my OOO added gems are showing up as pink squares in my inventory.
Question 3: I use BOSS to set the mod load order, so does it matter which order I install the mods in? (My guess is yes because BOSS only controls the esm and esp files for load order and does not control the order in which BSA files are loaded or loose texture and mesh files get loaded.)
Question 4: Do I need to change my install order?
The third area I am requesting help with is for my mod esp files. Again, I am getting no error or warning messages from BOSS. I am not really looking for mod recommendations, as I am pretty happy with my current choices. However, several of the mods (especially the FCOM bunch) are fairly complex with lots of options and I am concerned that I may be missing some or have some extra ones loaded that I do not need. Here is my current BOSS-set load order:
Active Mod Files:
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00 Oblivion.esm01 Silgrad_Tower.esm [Version 3.39]02 Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm [Version 5.0]03 Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm [Version 5.0]04 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.73]05 Qarls_Harvest.esm06 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.35Beta]07 Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.8b1]08 Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm09 TamrielTravellers.esm [Version 1.39c]0A FCOM_Convergence.esm [Version 0.9.9MB8b1]** Cobl Races TNR.esp [Version 1.53]** Cobl Races TNR SI.esp [Version 1.53]0B Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.4.2]0C UOPS Additional Changes.esp0D Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp0E DLCShiveringIsles.esp0F Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.5.0]10 USIPS Additional Changes.esp11 Francesco's Creatures and Items Resources.esp [Version 5.0]12 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp [Version 5.0]13 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp [Version 5.0]14 Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp [Version 5.0]15 Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp [Version 5.0]++ FCOM_Francescos.esp [Version 0.9.9MB8b1]++ FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp [Version 0.9.9MB8b1]16 FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp [Version 0.9.9MB8b1]++ IngredientsInBulk.esp17 Qarls_Harvest.esp18 DarNifiedUI Config Addon.esp19 FormID Finder4.esp1A Vacuity.esp [Version 0.2]1B Landmarks, w Wells.esp [Version 1.11]1C Town_Ceremonial_Armor.esp++ MMM_Runeskull_Rebalance_BETA2.esp [Version Beta]1D Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.73]1E Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63]1F Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp20 FCOM_BobsArmory.esp [Version 0.9.9MB8b1]21 Oblivion WarCry EV.esp [Version 1.09]22 FCOM_WarCry.esp [Version 0.9.9MB8b1]23 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.35Beta]24 OOO-No_Guild_Ownership.esp [Version 1.33]25 OOO-Armor_Perks_WearRate_Repair.esp [Version 1.33]26 OOO-Combat_Skills_Perks_Marksmanship.esp [Version 1.33]27 OOO-DaedraLord_Quests.esp [Version 1.33]28 OOO-Deadly_Combat.esp [Version 1.33]29 OOO-DLT_Immersion.esp [Version 1.33]2A OOO-Magic_Effects+Enchantments.esp [Version 1.33]2B OOO-Magic_Effects+Spells.esp [Version 1.33]2C OOO-Magic_Game_Settings.esp [Version 1.33]++ OOO-Potions.esp [Version 1.33]** OMOBS_SI.esp [Version 2.0]2D OMOBS Optional Combat Settings.esp [Version 1.0]2E OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp [Version 1.72]2F Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp [Version 3.8b1]30 FCOM_Convergence.esp [Version 0.9.9Mb8b1]31 FCOM_RealSwords.esp [Version 0.9.9MB8]32 FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp [Version 0.9.9]++ FCOM_SpawnRatesStronger.esp [Version 0.9.9Mb3]33 Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp [Version 3.8b1]++ Mart's Monster Mod - No Pests.esp [Version 3.8b1]++ Mart's Monster Mod - No Swarms.esp [Version 3.8b1]34 Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp [Version 3.8b1]++ Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp [Version 3.8b1]++ Mart's Monster Mod - No Undead Rise.esp [Version 3.8b1]++ Mart's Monster Mod - No Slimes.esp [Version 3.8b1]++ Mart's Monster Mod - No Fiends.esp [Version 3.8b1]++ Mart's Monster Mod - No Beholdens.esp [Version 3.8b1]++ Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp [Version 3.8b1]35 Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp [Version 3.8b1]36 Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp [Version 3.7b7]37 Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp [Version 3.8b1]++ TamrielTravellerAdvScript.esp [Version 1.39c]38 TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp [Version 1.39c]++ TamrielTravellersItemsNPC.esp [Version 1.39c]39 TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp [Version 1.39c]3A ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp [Version 1.39c]++ FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp [Version 0.9.9]++ FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9]++ FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9]++ FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp [Version 0.9.9]** FCOM_Archery.esp [Version 0.9.9]++ Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Wisp and VASE Addon.esp [Version 3.8b1]3B Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Creatures Expansion.esp [Version 3.8b1]++ Mart's Monster Mod - RadiantAITweaks.esp3C Mart's Monster Mod - Mummies.esp** FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp [Version 0.9.9]++ Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.8b1]++ MMM-Cobl.esp [Version 1.73]3D Ivellon.esp [Version 1.8]3E Imperial Furniture Renovated.esp3F Ancient_Goblin_City-4843.esp [Version 2.5]40 Archery Shops 2.0 no LL.esp41 ArmoryLab.esp42 ArmoryLab better armory.esp43 goldenarrowarcheryshopfixedprices.esp++ Shady Sam Enhanced.esp44 Silgrad_Tower.esp [Version 3.39]45 WeaponsOfTheNine.esp [Version 2.2]46 WOTFH_1.3.esp47 za_bankmod.esp48 Knights.esp49 Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.1.2]4A Mighty Umbra.esp4B The Mystery of the Dulan cult.esp4C Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp [Version 3.8b1]++ FCOM_MightyUmbra.esp [Version 0.9.9]++ FCOM_Knights.esp [Version 0.9.9MB8b1]4D FCOM_DulanCult.esp [Version 0.9.9]4E Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esp++ FCOM_EnhancedDaedricInvasion.esp [Version 0.9.9]4F ElsweyrAnequina.esp50 Unofficial Elsweyr Anequina Patch.esp51 xulImperialIsle.esp [Version 1.6.7]52 Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0]++ Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.0.0]53 MM_TorchLight80.esp++ moremerchantmoneyv1.1.esp54 movablebodies.esp55 gardening.esp56 PersuasionOverhaul.esp57 Retros Fletching and Imbueing.esp** Ayleid Wells.esp [Version 1.1]** Ayelid Wells.esp58 Gather Ye Rosebuds.esp59 PoisonIvy.esp5A Poison Combiner.esp5B Essence Extracter.esp5C DirenniAlchemyApparatus.esp5D RshAlchemy.esp5E RshAlchemyRecipes.esp5F Denock Arrows.esp60 mighty_bows_full.esp++ mighty_bows_damage_bonus.esp61 mighty_bows_sneak_dmg_bonus_alt.esp62 MM_SneakMelee.esp63 Smarter Mercantile Leveling - Multi.esp** Grandmaster of Alchemy.esp++ OOO-Level_Normal.esp [Version 1.33]64 1stAlchemistCompanionGirl.esp++ Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp [Version 3.8b1]65 All Spells Avalible for Enchanting and Spell Making.esp66 MM_TextHorse.esp67 MM_TextLoading.esp68 MM_TextSneak.esp69 NoMerchantBarterpvssyr.esp6A Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp [Version 01]++ Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul - Harvest Containers - SI.esp [Version 0.99b]6B Ring of Atmospherancy.esp6C RingOfFeather1000.esp6D 3777-v1.1 Beta-Obicos Ingredient Increaser v11-TESSource.esp6E MM_Run6.esp6F MM_SneakMarksman.esp70 Rasor_archer_pack.esp71 dkHearthStone.esp72 Compleat Enchanter balanced.esp73 Ring of Chameleon in Chorrol-5232.esp74 Bashed Patch, 0.esp75 Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot beta Place After Bashed Patch.esp
I am not going to do anything with this until I setup my new computer on Christmas, so there is no rush for a response, but I am definitely hoping to eliminate conflicts and crashes when I install on my new high-speed computer.
Thanks
