Help with mods causing ctd : IV

» Wed May 09, 2012 2:18 am

OK so i start oblivion from obse shortcut, it the screen goes black like it usually does when starting but after a second or two it flashes and then goes to the desktop. Btw i just tried adding fcom so that obviously the problem but i was wondering could you help me out with removing other mods or changing load order. I also deleted some textures in the male_ file because of the nvde bodies caused by DR6

Active Mod Files:

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00  Oblivion.esm01  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 1.3.2]02  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]03  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]04  Francesco's Optional New Creatures Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]05  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]06  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]07  Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm08  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9a7]09  HorseCombatMaster.esm0A  HrmnsOblivionScriptOptimizationv1.0.esp0B  TNR ALL RACES FINAL.esp**  TNR - ShiveringIsles no helms.esp0C  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.0]0D  DLCShiveringIsles.esp0E  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp0F  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp10  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp11  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp12  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]13  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]14  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]15  All Natural.esp  [Version 1.33]16  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 1.3.2]17  All Natural - MMM Patch.esp  [Version 1.3]18  Symphony of Violence.esp19  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 1.3.2]1A  ImprovedSigns.esp1B  Living Economy.esp1C  Living Economy - Items.esp1D  Cutthroat Merchants.esp1E  DropLitTorchOBSE.esp  [Version 2.4]1F  Streamline 3.1.esp20  DLCHorseArmor.esp21  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]22  DLCOrrery.esp23  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]24  DLCVileLair.esp25  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]26  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp27  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]28  DLCSpellTomes.esp29  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]2A  Adonnays Classical Weaponry.esp2B  Adonnays Klassische Waffen.esp2C  Armory of the Silver Dragon.esp2D  Sauron_Armor_Chest.esp2E  SK_Berserk_v0.6.esp2F  Tyrael Armor.esp30  Daedric Lord Armor.esp31  Daedric Lord-Classic Bound Armor.esp32  DLCThievesDen.esp33  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]34  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]35  Francesco's More Wilderness Life.esp36  Francesco's Optional Dungeon Chest Loot.esp37  Francesco's Optional Dungeon Chest Locks.esp38  Francesco's Optional House Chest Loot.esp39  Francesco's Optional New Adventurers.esp3A  Francesco's Optional Vendor Tweaks.esp3B  Francesco's Optional Leveled Quests.esp3C  Francesco's Optional Leveled Arena.esp3D  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp3E  Cheat Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp3F  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]40  Oblivion WarCry.esp  [Version 1.085a]41  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.08a]42  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9]43  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]44  OOO-Map_Markers_Stock.esp  [Version 1.33]45  OOO-DLT_Remover.esp  [Version 1.33]46  OOO-Container_Trap_Instant_Effects.esp  [Version 1.33]47  Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]48  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9]49  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]4A  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]4B  Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]4C  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]4D  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]4E  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]4F  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3f]50  Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]51  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]52  OOO-WaterFish.esp  [Version 1.34]53  24HrArenaAliveV2.esp54  24HrArenaAliveV2Towers.esp55  24HrArenaAliveLow.esp56  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp57  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]58  DLCFrostcrag.esp59  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]5A  Knights.esp5B  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]5C  QuietFeet.esp5D  Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp5E  Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]5F  Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esp60  xulRollingHills_EV_withoutWheat.esp  [Version 1.3.3]61  xulRollingHills_EV.esp  [Version 1.3.3]62  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]63  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]64  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]65  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]66  HUD Status Bars.esp  [Version 5.3.2]67  MidasSpells.esp68  Midas OscuroGems.esp69  Midas Reduced Costs 3 Quarters.esp6A  Mart's Monster Mod - Midas Creature Ingredients.esp6B  Deadly Reflex 6 - Timed Block with no damage or durability changes.esp6C  Deadly Reflex 6 - Timed block and 150% damage.esp6D  Deadly Reflex 6 - Timed Block and 250% damage.esp6E  Mounted_Spellcasting_Deadly_Reflex_Compatible.esp6F  DRSplatter.esp70  Francesco's 7 days respawn time - 1-16 day lenght rescale.esp71  OOO-Magic_Script_Effect_Fix.esp  [Version 1.33]72  DeadlyReflex 6 - Combat Moves.esp73  Deadly Reflex 6 - HeX NifSE Patch.esp**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 1.3.2]74  Bashed Patch, Oblivion.esp----> MISSING MASTER: Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esm----> MISSING MASTER: Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp----> MISSING MASTER: Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp----> MISSING MASTER: Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp----> Delinquent MASTER: SP1stPLegs.esp75  SP1stPLegs.esp

» Tue May 08, 2012 8:23 pm

OK so i start oblivion from obse shortcut, it the screen goes black like it usually does when starting but after a second or two it flashes and then goes to the desktop. Btw i just tried adding fcom so that obviously the problem but i was wondering could you help me out with removing other mods or changing load order. I also deleted some textures in the male_ file because of the nvde bodies caused by DR6

Active Mod Files:

Spoiler

00  Oblivion.esm01  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 1.3.2]02  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]03  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]04  Francesco's Optional New Creatures Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]05  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]06  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]07  Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm08  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9a7]09  HorseCombatMaster.esm0A  HrmnsOblivionScriptOptimizationv1.0.esp0B  TNR ALL RACES FINAL.esp**  TNR - ShiveringIsles no helms.esp0C  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.0]0D  DLCShiveringIsles.esp0E  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp0F  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp10  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp11  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp12  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]13  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]14  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]15  All Natural.esp  [Version 1.33]16  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 1.3.2]17  All Natural - MMM Patch.esp  [Version 1.3]18  Symphony of Violence.esp19  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 1.3.2]1A  ImprovedSigns.esp1B  Living Economy.esp1C  Living Economy - Items.esp1D  Cutthroat Merchants.esp1E  DropLitTorchOBSE.esp  [Version 2.4]1F  Streamline 3.1.esp20  DLCHorseArmor.esp21  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]22  DLCOrrery.esp23  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]24  DLCVileLair.esp25  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]26  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp27  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]28  DLCSpellTomes.esp29  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]2A  Adonnays Classical Weaponry.esp2B  Adonnays Klassische Waffen.esp2C  Armory of the Silver Dragon.esp2D  Sauron_Armor_Chest.esp2E  SK_Berserk_v0.6.esp2F  Tyrael Armor.esp30  Daedric Lord Armor.esp31  Daedric Lord-Classic Bound Armor.esp32  DLCThievesDen.esp33  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]34  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]35  Francesco's More Wilderness Life.esp36  Francesco's Optional Dungeon Chest Loot.esp37  Francesco's Optional Dungeon Chest Locks.esp38  Francesco's Optional House Chest Loot.esp39  Francesco's Optional New Adventurers.esp3A  Francesco's Optional Vendor Tweaks.esp3B  Francesco's Optional Leveled Quests.esp3C  Francesco's Optional Leveled Arena.esp3D  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp3E  Cheat Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp3F  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]40  Oblivion WarCry.esp  [Version 1.085a]41  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp  [Version 1.08a]42  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9]43  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]44  OOO-Map_Markers_Stock.esp  [Version 1.33]45  OOO-DLT_Remover.esp  [Version 1.33]46  OOO-Container_Trap_Instant_Effects.esp  [Version 1.33]47  Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]48  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9]49  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]4A  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]4B  Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]4C  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]4D  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]4E  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]4F  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3f]50  Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]51  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]52  OOO-WaterFish.esp  [Version 1.34]53  24HrArenaAliveV2.esp54  24HrArenaAliveV2Towers.esp55  24HrArenaAliveLow.esp56  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp57  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]58  DLCFrostcrag.esp59  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]5A  Knights.esp5B  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]5C  QuietFeet.esp5D  Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp5E  Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]5F  Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esp60  xulRollingHills_EV_withoutWheat.esp  [Version 1.3.3]61  xulRollingHills_EV.esp  [Version 1.3.3]62  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]63  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]64  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]65  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]66  HUD Status Bars.esp  [Version 5.3.2]67  MidasSpells.esp68  Midas OscuroGems.esp69  Midas Reduced Costs 3 Quarters.esp6A  Mart's Monster Mod - Midas Creature Ingredients.esp6B  Deadly Reflex 6 - Timed Block with no damage or durability changes.esp6C  Deadly Reflex 6 - Timed block and 150% damage.esp6D  Deadly Reflex 6 - Timed Block and 250% damage.esp6E  Mounted_Spellcasting_Deadly_Reflex_Compatible.esp6F  DRSplatter.esp70  Francesco's 7 days respawn time - 1-16 day lenght rescale.esp71  OOO-Magic_Script_Effect_Fix.esp  [Version 1.33]72  DeadlyReflex 6 - Combat Moves.esp73  Deadly Reflex 6 - HeX NifSE Patch.esp**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 1.3.2]74  Bashed Patch, Oblivion.esp----> MISSING MASTER: Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esm----> MISSING MASTER: Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp----> MISSING MASTER: Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp----> MISSING MASTER: Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp----> Delinquent MASTER: SP1stPLegs.esp75  SP1stPLegs.esp

Your load order suggests that you're missing master files. Try installing those and try again. Be sure to set your order via BOSS and rebuild the patch when you're done. Seems like you were trying to set up either FCOM or Frans with MMM. There's a thread that tells you how to install FCOM properly here in the forum.

» Tue May 08, 2012 9:08 pm

Your load order suggests that you're missing master files. Try installing those and try again. Be sure to set your order via BOSS and rebuild the patch when you're done.

Could you tell me which masters, i literately spent hours installing those last night.

» Tue May 08, 2012 5:36 pm

You have a bunch of duplicate esps that shouldn't be there.

Choose only one of these:
60 xulRollingHills_EV_withoutWheat.esp [Version 1.3.3]
61 xulRollingHills_EV.esp [Version 1.3.3]

Choose only one of these:
6B Deadly Reflex 6 - Timed Block with no damage or durability changes.esp
6C Deadly Reflex 6 - Timed block and 150% damage.esp
6D Deadly Reflex 6 - Timed Block and 250% damage.esp

This is not right:
----> MISSING MASTER: Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esm
----> MISSING MASTER: Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp
----> Delinquent MASTER: SP1stPLegs.esp

Missing master means that these plugins are required for other plugins to work. This is probably what is making the game crash at start. Make sure you go through the Mart's Monster Mod readme very carefully. In fact, I would suggest you go through the readmes for ALL your mods. Installing FCOM is not for the faint of heart, and there may be other problems with your load order. This is just what I spotted in a moment.

» Tue May 08, 2012 11:37 pm

You have a bunch of duplicate esps that shouldn't be there.

Choose only one of these:
60 xulRollingHills_EV_withoutWheat.esp [Version 1.3.3]
61 xulRollingHills_EV.esp [Version 1.3.3]

Choose only one of these:
6B Deadly Reflex 6 - Timed Block with no damage or durability changes.esp
6C Deadly Reflex 6 - Timed block and 150% damage.esp
6D Deadly Reflex 6 - Timed Block and 250% damage.esp

This is not right:
----> MISSING MASTER: Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esm
----> MISSING MASTER: Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp
----> MISSING MASTER: Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp
----> Delinquent MASTER: SP1stPLegs.esp

Missing master means that these plugins are required for other plugins to work. This is probably what is making the game crash at start. Make sure you go through the Mart's Monster Mod readme very carefully. In fact, I would suggest you go through the readmes for ALL your mods. Installing FCOM is not for the faint of heart, and there may be other problems with your load order. This is just what I spotted in a moment.

Thanks i will look at that now, but i ran boss again and it suggested to delete Francesco optional add-on. I did and the game will get to the load screen now. I cant see if its working now because i am busy but i will try to see later.

-Ok i just checked over that and its only the bashed patch that's missing them. I haven't been able to play the game to wait for 3 days to let the cells regenerate so hats why the patch is still listing them. I used to play with them but since i installed fcom i got rid of them.

» Tue May 08, 2012 10:38 pm

Good that you got it running. Make sure to read the readmes though, as your current installation makes it clear that you haven't. The issues I mentioned will lead to unpredictable behaviour and crashing.

Installing duplicates of stuff like deadly reflex is a very bad idea. Think of it like wearing multiple pairs of underpants. It works fine now, but you really only need one and things are bound to get messy later.

» Wed May 09, 2012 12:49 am

Good that you got it running. Make sure to read the readmes though, as your current installation makes it clear that you haven't. The issues I mentioned will lead to unpredictable behaviour and crashing.

Installing duplicates of stuff like deadly reflex is a very bad idea. Think of it like wearing multiple pairs of underpants. It works fine now, but you really only need one and things are bound to get messy later.

Hahaha thanks for the help. i deactivated all those and cleaned up my bashed patch so that should help the game. Appreciate the help!

» Tue May 08, 2012 2:43 pm

Sorry that I'm a little pushed for time today so I can't really expand, but do revise your Francesco's install.
Full details can be found in the current FCOM thread.
http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1245021-relz-fcom-convergence/