Here's a simple one... : V

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 5:03 pm

So what do you think? Should the guards be made up of more than one race and gender?

Post your opinions and reasons for them on the thread below.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 6:52 pm

What's with the excessive polls? Instead of making them for the sake of clogging up the fourm board, how about putting time into your posts?

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 6:57 pm

not imperial or nord town guards. but if there is a unique settlement with a unique culture i think that would be cool.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:42 pm

I guess, maybe. For example, technically, all varieties of races and genders were supposed to be part of the Imperial guard, yet we only seem to see Imperial males. There were only like 3 or so females, and very few of any other race. Only Captain Burd comes to mind.

At the same time, it would just seem kind of odd seeing every race and gender as guards around the cities. It would make things feel less like the land of Imperials. I think I'd rather have the vast majority for Skyrim be Nords, with a bigger variety of gender.

It's hard to explain, but hopefully you guys understood what I was trying to express.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:52 am

I guess, maybe. For example, technically, all varieties of races and genders were supposed to be part of the Imperial guard, yet we only seem to see Imperial males. There were only like 3 or so females, and very few of any other race. Only Captain Burd comes to mind.

This was what I was getting at, I just didn't want to write it out.

At the same time, it would just seem kind of odd seeing every race and gender as guards around the cities. It would make things feel less like the land of Imperials. I think I'd rather have the vast majority for Skyrim be Nords, with a bigger variety of gender.

That is true, but you'd expect the town to take anyone that wasn't a criminal. So, based on the populations, I'd expect just as much as anyone that the guard would be made up of mostly of Nords, but I'd expect some Redugards, Imperials, Elves, Khajiit and Argonians too, at least a couple of them spawning as a random guard, or even a few rare ones being named characters like Captains, Lieutenants or other officers.

It's hard to explain, but hopefully you guys understood what I was trying to express.

No, I completely got what you were saying. It makes sense, but you always see more diversity in police forces of today, so why not the guards in Skyrim?

» Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:29 am

Yes please.

» Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:58 am

Well...I dont have much to go on, but I always saw the Legion as being kind of racist (like the Empire in Star Wars), even if in the higher places of government politicians entertain cosmopolitan ideals. Just like in the real world, these ideals are just a charade.

(This racism is towards races that are not Humans. I dont remember elven legionnaires in Morrowind.)

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:42 am

I guess, maybe. For example, technically, all varieties of races and genders were supposed to be part of the Imperial guard, yet we only seem to see Imperial males. There were only like 3 or so females, and very few of any other race. Only Captain Burd comes to mind.

At the same time, it would just seem kind of odd seeing every race and gender as guards around the cities. It would make things feel less like the land of Imperials. I think I'd rather have the vast majority for Skyrim be Nords, with a bigger variety of gender.

It's hard to explain, but hopefully you guys understood what I was trying to express.

i agree wihthis i think it should be mostly nords as main city guards but more diversity in small cities or something, or small villages with like 1-2 guards perhaps may have any race, since they'd be more like mercs anyway

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 8:45 pm

Yes, we could use the diversity.

But on a more serious note, I demand my 4 year old militia defending the village from the troll raids (I love seeing innocent people being chucked away over and over again in attempt to accomplish something they hold dear.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:10 pm

Even more importantly, they must all lack the power of omniscience! lol

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:42 am

Even more importantly, they must all lack the power of omniscience! lol

If you have problems killing stuph, there is always the option of turning down the dufficulty...

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:25 pm

Of course they should but those were the imperial guards and such.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:21 am

If you have problems killing stuph, there is always the option of turning down the dufficulty...

Omniscience, not omnipotence. He/she meant their ability to instantly know when crimes are committed, despite sometimes being miles away from the scene of the crime.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:35 pm

only if the fair employment act isnt minority biased like it is nowadays

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:31 pm

I guess I'd like to see a little more variety, but I still think the vast majority should be Imperial males with a fair number of Nords. However, this seems quite lore related, and I'm far an expert on lore. There could be a very good reason things are the way they are.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:52 pm

Archers ftw?

And to the above one, why should the majority be imperial males? imperials would probably stay away from skyrim as much as possible since they're more of a heat-dwelling race. you could see an example of how they hate cold in morrowind's bloodmoon expansion. in addition to this skyrim happens such a long time after oblivion that the imperial legion doesn't even have to exist anymore! (and tbh i hope it doesn't)

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:01 pm

There were guards of multiple races in Morrowind. I think the problem with Oblivion is that they only recorded one set of voices for the guards, which were imperial males. If you make any other race a guard, and you have a bounty, they will greet you ceaselessly.

Archers ftw?

And to the above one, why should the majority be imperial males? imperials would probably stay away from skyrim as much as possible since they're more of a heat-dwelling race. you could see an example of how they hate cold in morrowind's bloodmoon expansion. in addition to this skyrim happens such a long time after oblivion that the imperial legion doesn't even have to exist anymore! (and tbh i hope it doesn't)

They still exist. They just aren't the force they used to be. The empire is still there, but it's weaker

» Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:44 am

There should be SOME diversity, but I would hope that about 40-50% of the guards are Nords. Since it is Skyrim after all.... And I'm assuming the general population of NPC's will be much more Nord than any other race. This was similar in Oblivion for Imperials.... but then again the numbers were skewed since nearly (forgot about Bruma) every guard was Imperial.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:43 am

Yeah. I want to hear all the races shouting: "Stop right there criminal scum!"

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 4:22 pm

IIRC, the movie Braveheart actually got flack for not hiring enough non-Caucasian actors...
This sounds bad... and then you think, well its set in the 1200's in Scotland. :eek:

I guess the question is.. Are any but the Nords long time residents? Are most non-Nords just passing through? unique eccentrics?, or traveling merchants?

I would assume that in small towns, the town guard would be from long time resident families and not travelers that stopped in for a season.

But if its a large city (like the capital city), then I don't see why not ~In fact they would surely want a diverse force.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:05 pm

IIRC, the movie Braveheart actually got flack for not hiring enough non-Caucasian actors...
This sounds bad... and then you think, well its set in the 1200's in Scotland. :eek:

I guess the question is.. Are any but the Nords long time residents? Are most non-Nords just passing through? unique eccentrics?, or traveling merchants?

I would assume that in small towns, the town guard would be from long time resident families and not travelers that stopped in for a season.

But if its a large city (like the capital city), then I don't see why not ~In fact they would surely want a diverse force.

These are the main factors you have to think about. All the members of the local police force by my house are white males, besides the receptionist and 911 operators with no police training. I live in the middle of the US up in a state bordering Canada. However, If I go 30 miles to the capitol there are cops of every race and gender. It all depends on population diversity.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 8:56 pm

IIRC, the movie Braveheart actually got flack for not hiring enough non-Caucasian actors...
This sounds bad... and then you think, well its set in the 1200's in Scotland. :eek:

I guess the question is.. Are any but the Nords long time residents? Are most non-Nords just passing through? unique eccentrics?, or traveling merchants?

I would assume that in small towns, the town guard would be from long time resident families and not travelers that stopped in for a season.

But if its a large city (like the capital city), then I don't see why not ~In fact they would surely want a diverse force.

You serious about the Braveheart thing? wow how stupid is that :facepalm:

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:59 pm

Yes, it should be more than just imperial males that work as generic guards. I can't believe someone actually voted no.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 6:36 pm

Most should be Nords but there could be ranger style guards who are different races, like bosmer woodsmen guards and city sever system waterbreathing argonians.

» Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:33 pm

Yeah. I want to hear all the races shouting: "Stop right there criminal scum!"

YES!!
For some reason, I can imagine Michael Mack (redguards) saying that.
And yes, some racial diverity amongst the guards would be nice.