Herkel the Fool became a Clever Man

Post » Tue Dec 21, 2010 12:56 am

I've watched the youth ignore the Ysgrimskalds, and this is sad. :(

As the Ur Tower was Magnus' design, so Snow-throat was Dagon's deception.http://www.imperial-library.info/content/nu-mantia-intercept-letter-5 Dagon, intimate with the Cosmology, orchestrated the Falmer heresy,http://www.imperial-library.info/content/fight-two-how-herkel-fool-became-clever-man to wake Alduin.http://www.imperial-library.info/content/morrowind-varieties-faith-empire He deceived the proto-Falmer, into building a really big Mountain named Snow-throat. The steps would be stacked a certain way, so armies of the Falmer could escalate Time itself.4 The Falmer, complete with their wonder, oblivious to Dagon's hand, commenced with the slaughter.

So, in case you don't follow, my interpretation of Snow-throat's design: literally, a really big ramp to Heaven.


4 Sarthaal is Aldmeris' parallel. They are opposites in memory, but one in space/time. Dagon pulls an Inception on a portion of the Aldmer, these proselytize, and the Falmer heresy is born. It's likely the proto-Falmer were impatient, and they didn't want to wait for Crystal-like Law's inevitable victory. Impatience is fertile ground for dissent, and it's blasphemous among Altmer.


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Post » Mon Dec 20, 2010 7:23 pm

Not bad. But, not very exciting. No offense to you, you're pulling from lore we have and extending it, but each tower is subtly unique for each and every one. Zero Tower was/is a means of entering Aetherius, Red Mountain was inverted to try to offer transcendence to those who commanded it, and White-Gold was physical dominance over Tamriel; first by the elves over the indigenous peoples (Argonians/Hist), then by Man. If Dagon siezed White-Gold in that assault, he would've already won.

If I were a betting man, I'd put my money that Snow Throat has more to do with Akatosh mythically than Dagon or Elves or the others. It is, unless I'm mistaken, a mountain, like Red Mountain. The Falmer could've used/appropriated Snow Throat, but built and designed it? No.
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Post » Mon Dec 20, 2010 10:45 pm

Every Tower, except Ur and Red, is an elven construct, and the elves, with the exception of chimer, only diverged on the "how." How to return to sacred Aldmeris. It's as believable to me the Falmer built this mountain as the presence of magic. We can link every Tower to Akatosh, mythically, since they're models of his [censored]. Which is the power to create and dominate.

The scientific word for it is censored. Can I say [censored]?
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Post » Tue Dec 21, 2010 10:24 am

Every Tower, except Ur and Red, is an elven construct, and the elves, with the exception of chimer, only diverged on the "how." How to return to sacred Aldmeris. It's as believable to me the Falmer built this mountain as the presence of magic. We can link every Tower to Akatosh, mythically, since they're models of his [censored]. Which is the power to create and dominate.

The scientific word for it is censored. Can I say [censored]?

Every tower except for Zero and Red are attempts at RE-creation.

Mythically, they all have different forms but stay in existence through the same means.

Just as a musical tempo cannot exist without two notes, a Tower cannot exist without constructs. I AM. Is nothing without both. "I" would mean nothing without its counterpart, and once something IS, once the second note is chimed, Time exists.
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Post » Tue Dec 21, 2010 4:50 am

Yes, but then let's discuss the "how." How would they accomplish that? What is the Falmer mechanism for reaching Aldmeris, which made them different from the other mer?
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Post » Mon Dec 20, 2010 10:09 pm

Thank you, Dagon and 40k fan. You guys are generally fun guys. Here, anyway. It's always brave to bite a fish of unknown origins, and I guess replying to one of my topics is kind of like that.
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Post » Mon Dec 20, 2010 10:23 pm

I was going to ask you how it relates to http://www.imperial-library.info/content/shor-son-shor, but then I forgot.
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Post » Tue Dec 21, 2010 4:45 am

Shor, son of Shor details the point of view of the Atmorans, as the old Mundus became... the new Mundus. If this is the meddling of Dagon and his dissident Aldmer, a la Snow-throat, I'd venture its design is to kill the Atmorans by replication: This is the death children bring as the Sons of Hora.

So the Falmer ascended the steps of Hrothgaar, to kill Shor; and the Atmorans came down, changed as Nords, as their King was dead. Which is to say, Shor is still in Sarthaal. This train isn't going anywhere.
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Post » Tue Dec 21, 2010 8:32 am

Yes, but then let's discuss the "how." How would they accomplish that? What is the Falmer mechanism for reaching Aldmeris, which made them different from the other mer?
It would have to be something or somehow related to why the Nords hated them so much (or vice versa) as to want to exterminate the lot of them. After all, they hate all elves, but not enough to go on a crusade against them. So something had to happen philosophically to make it abhorrent to the Nords. Off the top of my head, I'd say that they wanted to force a reset of Nirn. Get Akatosh to recycle the world again... but that'd be a decidedly human way of looking at the problem, so who knows.
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Post » Tue Dec 21, 2010 9:13 am

It would have to be something or somehow related to why the Nords hated them so much (or vice versa) as to want to exterminate the lot of them. After all, they hate all elves, but not enough to go on a crusade against them. So something had to happen philosophically to make it abhorrent to the Nords. Off the top of my head, I'd say that they wanted to force a reset of Nirn. Get Akatosh to recycle the world again... but that'd be a decidedly human way of looking at the problem, so who knows.

It doesn't seem like a Nord thing to do though to try and force Akatosh's hand. It also seem far too mythological to have an entire race decide to kill off another race just to get a god's attention.

How many times did Akatosh reset Nirn before Ada-Mantia and Red-Tower were put in place?

Also Shor Son of Shor was perhaps the most depressing TES read I've had.
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Post » Mon Dec 20, 2010 9:37 pm

No, the Atmorans/giants were the gods, who became the Nords. When Herkel's betraying the Host of Ysgramor with talk - the Convention - he's damning each to a mortal's death, while himself transcending them.
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