Most being exist (that we can tell) in 3 dimensions of space and 1 of time. I was wondering if anyone else had come to the conclusion that Hermaeus Mora exists in more. His physical manifestations have a kaleidoscopic sort of look to them and appear the same from any side. That is, he is always facing you, regardless of where you are in relation to him. They can also appear in multiple places at once both in his own realm and in reality, perhaps due to him reaching "down" in two+ different 3d spots like we might do to contact a flat surface in multiple places. His physical form also appears to be drifting outward often but doesnt get larger, similar to how a tesseract rotating in the W plane might appear (1).

So with that evidence I put forth my idea that The Gardener of Men exists in at least 4 space dimensions (maybe more?) and 1 time dimension. I have yet to notice anything that strongly suggests he exists outside of one dimension of time but he may well move back and forth along time or be aware of moments beyond "now" unlike humans, who can remember "then" and guess about "next" but only seem to experience time as jumps between "then" and "now." The existence of the Elder Scrolls suggests things CAN exist either unstuck in time or in multiple dimensions of time, but Mora doesnt have as much evidence supporting his existence as such a being.

Does anyone agree, disagree, or have anything to add?

1: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/55/Tesseract.gif as if you were on the right.

EDIT: Below you can also find some debate on what exactly happens when you read is books and how you get items from his realm.

Well, he can "scry the tides of fate", so he must be timey-whimey somehow.

He can flawlessly move through time. Both backwards and forward. Neloth also confirms this. It is why he is the Prince of Fate. Of course, he isn't perfect. Time is not perfect. While he can get a very good idea of the future by taking a peek... it can still change depending on any crazy scenario, action, prophecy, etc. He doesn't know it 100% infallible absolute. But he's got a very well-trained, natural, "feel" for it, if that makes sense. At least, that's how I - with my feeble mortal mind - interpret it.

To answer your question, yeah. We can safely say he's not "all here." He's everywhere. So that definitely requires movement outside the usual dimensions.

He may claim to be everywhere, and he can certainly be multiple places, but we dont get any proof that he is actually coterminous with all of space.

The question also arises as to whether the ability to predict the future is the same as experiencing or moving into the future.

My assumption is that observable things, such as his omni-orientation and W rotation, can be assumed to "true" but that the claims of books and individuals is suspect. We KNOW Alduin was moved into another dimension of time (not of his own free will) and returned at a very distant future point in the timeline as the dragonborn experienced it (he also teleported, or it is unlikely he would have been on the mountaintop, which has likely shifted in the following millennium). His world line split and rejoined the one the rest of the world uses as reference. We dont actually SEE Mora splitting off from our timeline or re-entering it.

If Mora can move back and forth in time, but the future isnt fixed, he might be re-trying events until he gets the desired outcome. Oh wow, I think I just explained save scumming as the work of a daedra lord trying to get the best result for himself (the one where his champion wins).

If we could SEE Hermaues Mora do it. Our eyes would melt so bad, they would sink right into our body and cause chemical reactions that would initiate a massive seizure that we would feel in our after-life even.

There's a reason why he is also referred to as the Prince of the unseen.

Actually, I was considering mentioning that, what with his one manifestation being a "wretched abyss" in the dragonborn's mind despite nothing indicating its wretchedness. It may be that simply trying to comprehend Mora or being in close contact with him is extremely unpleasant because he exists outside the limits of the Dragonborn's comprehension.

Regardless, we see Alduin leave time and return with only temporarily blindness as a consequence (the dazzle effect of the Elder Scroll).

I also just remembered that Mora explicitly prevents your death in his realm, resetting you even if you get shredded or melt in the acidink, so that might be evidence for him moving through time and fate. I'm going to assume it is for now, at least.

i'm not sure that's good evidence of that. Neloth mentions that your body doesn't actually leave Mundus when you go to Apocrypha. my theory is that the black book / Mora gives you a link similar to that of a daedra when it's summoned to Mundus so that when whatever aspect of you gets "killed" in Apocrypha you simply return to your body. whatever's happening, it seems to me that Mora is passively preventing your death and not using anything that would suggest time manipulation.

It looks like only your soul is pulled to Apocrypha when you open a Black Book, but how are you able to bring things you find there back with you?

Hmmm. Well, it could be that he is leaving your "prime" body in Mundus and creating another one in his realm and then merging them when you read the book to return. It looks like you spend the entire "book" time in the physical world as some sort of ghost trapped in his embrace and, as a god with extra-reality powers, making two of you and merging them might not be impossible.

Like so:

DB-0 reads the book and Hermaeus Mora protects him while creating a copy, DB-1, in his own realm using his ability to manipulate time and fate, creating a "you" that is only different in that it is in his realm. If you die he makes a DB-2 and so on that are copies of DB-1 (or 2 or 3) at the point of his/her death. At the end, when you re-read the book in his realm, he replaces DB-0 with the current DB-n.

He certainly has the power and knowledge to make copies of you (two other Deadra Princes have made clones of people too, as has one elf with imperfect clones), and if he can access the infinite alternate timelines he could simply take nearly identical Dragonborns from them.

So how is that theory for reconciling you not seeming to physically leave Mundus but also keeping what you find in his realm? A noticable problem with the daedra summon theory is that the DB has an aedric soul, which might work differently. Also, as mentioned, it doesnt directly address the items.