Hermaeus Mora: Where Does He Stand In All This?

Post » Fri Nov 16, 2012 6:03 am

I'll tell you this....

I'm certainly excited to find out.
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Brentleah Jeffs
 
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Post » Thu Nov 15, 2012 7:03 pm

I'll tell you this....

I'm certainly excited to find out.

lol, I second that- Honestly, I'm as excited for this DLC as I was for the release of the actual game itself... I see myself repeating old habits: Flooding the forums with "Speculation" topics.
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Post » Fri Nov 16, 2012 8:42 am

I'll tell you this....

I'm certainly excited to find out.
i agree with this^
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Post » Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:37 pm

My two cents for what it's worth: It's implied that when men learned to shout, they only were taught or knew so many words, many more were lost or left to only the dragons. The first DB was extremely power hungry (thus the specific notation in how he devoured the dragons, almost like a ravenous plague) and because of this, it lead him to search out someone that could have the knowledge of more shouts. If the knowledge you seek is forbidden by the only regular source of it (the dragons themselves), then why would you not turn to the Daedric Prince of Knowledge in order to master the lost or forbidden arts?
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Post » Thu Nov 15, 2012 7:59 pm

My two cents for what it's worth: It's implied that when men learned to shout, they only were taught or knew so many words, many more were lost or left to only the dragons. The first DB was extremely power hungry (thus the specific notation in how he devoured the dragons, almost like a ravenous plague) and because of this, it lead him to search out someone that could have the knowledge of more shouts. If the knowledge you seek is forbidden by the only regular source of it (the dragons themselves), then why would you not turn to the Daedric Prince of Knowledge in order to master the lost or forbidden arts?

I'm on the same tracks as this, but I'm leaning towards: He was a dragon-priest who was just as power-hungry as the dragons and through the way of Hermaeus Mora found a piece of forbidden knowledge on becoming Dragonborn w/o the blessing of Akatosh... That's as 'forbidden' as it comes right?
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Post » Fri Nov 16, 2012 12:46 am

Don't know people are opposed to helping the Daedra, at least they reward you. What have the devines done for you lately, besides giving you dragonborn blood?

To be fair, Mara and Dibella are both quite generous.
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Post » Fri Nov 16, 2012 12:47 am

In SI you could beat Jyggalag because you WERE Sheogorath, essentially. In otherwords, it was YOUR realm. Daedric princes are, for all intents and purposes, unbeatable in their realms (the player Sheogorath being a minor exception, since you were still mortal, as Jyggalag pointed out; however you could still stand against Jyggalag by virtue of being the Prince). However, they do have bodies (unlike the Aedra). That was Dagon at the end of Oblivion, in his true form. The Avatar was Martin. However, even though he was destroyed in Nirn, Dagon still exists; his defeat merely shut him back in his realm of Oblivion. So in short, no we will not be fighting Hermaeus Mora, especially not in Apocrypha since he would be essentially invincible.

As for this Dragonborn, the gift of dovah sos, Dragon Blood, can only come from Akatosh; that much is clear. However, WHEN this Dragon Priest received it is uncertain. Perhaps he betrayed the dragon priests and became Dragonborn/learned he was dragonborn (the mechanism is still not understood) by Akatosh's blessing but then became prideful in his own power and sought forbidden knowledge concerning words of power or the ability to preserve and eventually revive his being after death. Perhaps he was a Dragonborn who betrayed Akatosh and became a dragon priest but was lifted up in pride to make the dragons serve him and then killed them to consume their powers. Maybe we have this guy completely wrong. We'll find out soon enough :wink:
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Post » Fri Nov 16, 2012 6:22 am

All I know, is that I really, really, really, really, really, really want to be on the same
side as my favourite Daedric Prince. Both my Altmer mage and my Dunmer spellsword are
worshippers of his. I would hate to break my roleplay by being up against him.
I AM THE CHAMPION OF HERMAEUS MORA!
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Post » Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:27 am

All I know, is that I really, really, really, really, really, really want to be on the same
side as my favourite Daedric Prince. Both my Altmer mage and my Dunmer spellsword are
worshippers of his. I would hate to break my roleplay by being up against him.
I AM THE CHAMPION OF HERMAEUS MORA!

This is definitely how I feel. HM is one of my favorite Daedra and I would dislike it if we are forced to oppose him.
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Post » Thu Nov 15, 2012 6:39 pm

This is definitely how I feel. HM is one of my favorite Daedra and I would dislike it if we are forced to oppose him.

Perhaps you could just be a replacement for his 'current' dragonborn... You are a newer model after all.
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Post » Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:53 am

How the hell does one appose HM aside from sheo he's probally the most powerful deadric lord, on account he would know things before they happen hence he would know how to avoid bad enedings.
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Post » Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:00 am

deadric princes are easy to beat all it takes is a vampric lord+dragonborn super awesomeness how the [censored] do you kill an immortal body+ an immortal dragon soul. Answer you don't.

Do you even know what a Daedric Prince is?

EDIT: I do hope that we're given a chance to side with Mora. Sure, the typical brute Nord would go cracking skulls, but a mage would drool at the idea of essentially being in an infinite library.
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Post » Thu Nov 15, 2012 9:21 pm

He might not be a follower of Herm. Who's to say he's an enemy of his trapped in the princes realm? Maybe the three dragons were sent by Herm to try to kill him. Speculation on a trailer can devise limitless scenarios.
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Post » Fri Nov 16, 2012 5:44 am

I'm think HM is going to aid both dovakinn and the first db. The daedric princes treat mortals as playthings, things for their amusemant. During transcending the transmundane if you say you won't serve HM, he laughs and says something along the lines "you wll. Everything you do is in service of me, you just don't know it." All the princes are very centered on entertaining themselves, that's why they take champions, mortals who they enjoy and wish to test and reward. So I think HM is going to either give both sides power to make the battle more entertaining to watch, or I like the idea of him getting furious at the first for breaking into Apochrypha to get new knowledge, and HM will call on us to serve as his champion to kill our predecesor for his transgresions and to then reward us with new shouts that maybe help bend dragons to our will and allow us to ride them or something. It seems like that'd be power a power hungry dragonpriest dragonborn would want. A shout that forces other dova to serve him. It'd give him unimaginable power, and make it easy to devour more souls. Well guess what grandpa, this dragonborn has plenty of dova souls saved up for some new shouts!
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Post » Fri Nov 16, 2012 4:41 am

How the hell does one appose HM aside from sheo he's probally the most powerful deadric lord, on account he would know things before they happen hence he would know how to avoid bad enedings.

I would say Molag Bal is probably the most powerful. With the intervention of the Divines (which is likely inevitable), HM can be banished. I'm sure Bethesda would've worked out some way to oppose him. I hope we can choose to side with him or not.
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Post » Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:15 pm

at the end of the trailer where the DB kills the 3 dragons there are tentacles behind him and near the dead dragons some bookpages.I think that HM might be helping DB.but how the f@ck did dragons enter apocrypha?
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Post » Fri Nov 16, 2012 7:24 am

at the end of the trailer where the DB kills the 3 dragons there are tentacles behind him and near the dead dragons some bookpages.I think that HM might be helping DB.but how the f@ck did dragons enter apocrypha?

There was a dragon in the Soul Carin of all places. Who knows? It's a Daedra after all.
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Post » Fri Nov 16, 2012 5:43 am

I would say Molag Bal is probably the most powerful. With the intervention of the Divines (which is likely inevitable), HM can be banished. I'm sure Bethesda would've worked out some way to oppose him. I hope we can choose to side with him or not.

Isn't Jyggalag the most powerful? all the other deadric princes feared his powers, so they tricked him into madness so that he became Sheogorath?
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Post » Fri Nov 16, 2012 5:53 am

do u guys think beth will announce more about the dlc tommorrow? I just feel like they might screw the fact that its sunday, since its going to be the 1year anniversary :P
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Post » Thu Nov 15, 2012 11:47 pm

what about the greybeards they live to serve the dragonborn but witch on ? Lol
both? i dont think they have problems with that, the more they can convert into the way of the voice the better :)
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Post » Fri Nov 16, 2012 4:33 am

Well,if the second dragonborn is evil i don't think the Greybeards will help him!
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Post » Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:34 am

He probably wants you to do task(s) for him because unless you have some ungodly magick on your side, your not going to kill a Daedric Lord.

Don't know people are opposed to helping the Daedra, at least they reward you. What have the devines done for you lately, besides giving you dragonborn blood?


I tend to prefer the Daedra(thank you Dagon for my Dremora minions! :devil: ) as well, so I have this line of thought already. However... I will defend the Divines and say that they do want to help. There is just one little problem. They pretty much can't. They gave up much of their power in making Nirn. I'm sure if they could(like the Daedra) they would.
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Post » Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:26 pm

In SI you could be Jyggalag because you WERE Sheogorath, essentially. In otherwords, it was YOUR realm. Daedric princes are, for all intents and purposes, unbeatable in their realms (the player Sheogorath being a minor exception, since you were still mortal, as Jyggalag pointed out; however you could still stand against Jyggalag by virtue of being the Prince). However, they do have bodies (unlike the Aedra). That was Dagon at the end of Oblivion, in his true form. The Avatar was Martin. However, even though he was destroyed in Nirn, Dagon still exists; his defeat merely shut him back in his realm of Oblivion. So in short, no we will not be fighting Hermaeus Mora, especially not in Apocrypha since he would be essentially invincible.

As for this Dragonborn, the gift of dovah sos, Dragon Blood, can only come from Akatosh; that much is clear. However, WHEN this Dragon Priest received it is uncertain. Perhaps he betrayed the dragon priests and became Dragonborn/learned he was dragonborn (the mechanism is still not understood) by Akatosh's blessing but then became prideful in his own power and sought forbidden knowledge concerning words of power or the ability to preserve and eventually revive his being after death. Perhaps he was a Dragonborn who betrayed Akatosh and became a dragon priest but was lifted up in pride to make the dragons serve him and then killed them to consume their powers. Maybe we have this guy completely wrong. We'll find out soon enough :wink:



Be careful... We are talking about the Daedric Prince of forbidden knowledge & fate. Nothing is impossible to this bastard. If there is a way, Hermaeus-Mora will know it. It's up to him if he wants to share that knowlegde or not. I have no doubt that he is the strongest Daedric Prince. In all likelyhood, he was the one who probably leaked the knowledge to curse Jyggalag in the first place.
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Post » Fri Nov 16, 2012 6:08 am

I just believe the HM will see you as something he / she like. "You have made interesting decisions so for that have defied all that I have seen" or something completely different maybe... http://i.imgur.com/VaPeh.jpg.
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Post » Thu Nov 15, 2012 6:40 pm

My theory: Just like the other Dragon Priests forsake their duty to serve as "diplomats" between the races of dragons and men (they eventually became dictators), Hipsterborn forsake his duty to serve the Dragon Priests/dragons, and without their watchful eye he was able to access (possibly through the help of his servants on Solstheim) the Apocrypha and acquire forbidden knowledge about the language of the dragons. This eventually enabled him to Shout as the deities of his fellow Dragon Priests did. Hermaeus Mora probbably wasn't pleased with the rebellious Dragon Priest accessing his realm and using his knowledge for personal gain, so he decided to trap him in his realm.
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