Technically yeah, but he's not very active anymore.

I am well aware of Hermaeus Mora's abilities. However, Akatosh is the lord of dragons, the divine of time; the dragons are the children of akatosh. He is the source of their time-related dragon essence. The gift of that essence, of dovah sos, could only come from him. I am not saying he wouldn't be able to KNOW a way, I am saying there is nothing for him to know; there is no other way. It isn't that NOTHING is impossible to him, but rather that all that is possible he knows. So that which he would say is "impossible" is truly impossible, for he knows all ways and also knows what things there is no way to accomplish.

... Or he knows a way? (counter-point)

Ugh my head hurts. I don't think a daedric prince would even be able to "make" a dragonborn. Since the whole point is that they're essentially men (or women) born with the soul of a dragon. Since the soul is a persons essence, its probably the only thing HM couldn't figure a way to alter. That's not to say he might not be able to ,say, kill a dragon, take its soul, and place it in a mortal body, thus creating a dragonborn, but then he'd have to teach an entirely new entity everything about the thu'um and the world in general. Just to make a dragonborn. Seems like something a daedra would do for entertainment but it would effectively destroy the mortals mind and create a new person. So it wouldn't work in this instance.

Sorry to break it too you but the strongest of the Daedra (if any at all, not including Jyggalag of course) would most likely be Molag Bal as stated earlier. Most of the lore about him shows him as the most powerful (in one book, the one with the bow of the hunt, it states that all the Daedra "quickly agree with (Molag's) view, as they always did" and him being the most fearsome of the Daedra) and he is the lord of domination after all. But this is a little off-topic.

EDIT: And if not Bal then at least Dagon. It took Akatosh to defeat him. I would say HM is powerful but he's definitely not on top.


I sincerely hope HM did not "make" a Dragonborn....

To be picky, akatosh didn't defeat Dagon, a tiny aspect of akatosh stored within the amulet (which I think was supposed to be like a single drop of akatosh's blood) defeated Dagon Aedra > Daedra

Also that may be more to do with the nature of Bal, that being an oppressor and enslaver, as well as a manipulator, i.e he may simply know what to say to get the others to quickly agree with him. Personally I think the order is probably something like

Hermaeus Mora > Jygallag > Dagon > (which ever one it was that changed Jygalag) > Molag Bal etc. etc. etc. > Peryte

No, that my be your personal opinion but lore doesn't really support HM being the most powerful. He may be your favorite, but that matters none. And he's definitely not stronger then Jygallag (who is stated as the strongest and hence was cursed). The book called Molag Bal the most fearful and that the other Daedra agree with him and that's the most info we've had on structured order (besides stating Peryite was the weakest). BTW Molag Bal isn't manipulation That's Boethia (and possibly every Daedra who interacts with mortals).

And the debate over Aedra vs Daedra is tricky one as Aedra can die and can't interfere with mortals.

Laying a curse on the most powerful Daedric Prince is not a simple Abra, Kadabra. Where did the KNOWLEDGE come from?


Knowledge > Brute force.


Just because Bal talks **** and bullies everyone does not make him the strongest. Hermaeus-Mora whom is one of the most obscured Daedric Princes, just sitting back, massaging his tentacles & laughing at the other Princes vying for power while reading his forbidden tomes of power.

Hermaeus Mora can be seen as the "behind the scenes" guy... Always knowing full-well the intentions and plans of others, acting where he may and where he likes. You don't have to be "the most fearsome" to know someone's weakness. Nor do you have to break down the front door, when you can just sneak in the back way. Perhaps there is a passage of knowledge unknown to most that Hermaeus knows about becoming Dragonborn w/o the blessing of Akatosh... That's the sort of knowledge that can be considered "forbidden."

This will fit my character well then. I blew him off, and he went and found himself another, lol.

He better, or I'll be disappointed.

i agree with you but..just because you the smartest doesn't make you the strongest and I'm not sure but I think MH had help putting that curse on

didnt he already make us his champion in that quest ?

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Your going off of assumptions (huge assumptions and opinions that aren't supported in lore I might add). I'm going off of what's written in the lore. I'm sorry but it's leaning in the way of Bal.

There's so little written on the hierarchical order between Daedra (and it may even be a blurred equal on higher Daedra Princes). Still from what I have read I would also argue in favor of Molag Bal.

And most of your lore is found in books written by mortals who know nothing about the Daedra. That's going off assumptions too. There is no solid fact for either of our cases.

I told him I'm not his champion.

Maybe there is a shout that can strip a dragons or dragon born of their powers hidden in Mora's realms and you have to finds it to defeat the first dragon born.

Its clear Sheogorath is Stronger than Hircine if you've read the the book on said showdown.

I hope not. I want an epic thu'um battle.

Well, in Apocrypha would be the collective knowledge of the ENTIRE dragon tongue. So it is possible that we will need to learn a shout or some secret concerning the nature of the thu'um or dragonborn to fight him

I still think he's using more viable evidence then assumptions either way. We'll have to deal with it till Bethesda makes it clearer in the future.


I haven't read that. I said there's little, not none at all.

u sir are one brave man I just said yes and ran away lol

Yea, I guess it was stupid to defy the being who just disintegrated a guy, but I'd rather die than submit to a Daedra if I could help it. Kinda why I dislike Molag Bal's mission,and I just walk away from the house now or ignore it altogether.

I hope I get more chances to defy Hermaeus Mora, and not just blindly follow him. If not, I'll get over it.