Let me begin by sayin that i've played both morrowind n oblivion ( i no some of ye out there wont read an played-oblivion-only tread) n that i cant wait for ESV

So we all hope that ESV sees the return of the Daedric Quests n all the rewards that they bring ( was one of the best things about oblivion) but after the events of the Shivering Isles the Hero of Kvatch becomes the Daedric prince of Madness (Sheogorath) so what I'm wondering is if any has any suggestions on how to deal with this if Sheogorath is to be included in ESV.

When it first occurred to me I thought maybe that the HoK might pass the title on or that he losses his/her mind to the madness but the problem there is that an event like that would mess with the lore of game ( and might annoy Oblivion players) so I was wondering if anyone had other suggestions on how to get around this?

(Please no comments like' just leave Sheogorath out' because that would mean leavin out the Wabbajack which would be a shame)

I think he will just become Sheogorath, his mind will be lost too maddness and he will act exactly like the old mad god.

Most likely the statue of sheorogath, or the avatar, or whatever way we encounter him, will be the same appearance as it has always been.

There's loads of ways to overcome the fact Sheogorath doesn't have a single identity anymore. Look at what they did with Oblivion and the Nerevar, only talking about him but not showing any thing to visually show what he/she looked like...they never even identify the six if I am not mistaken. Same thing could happen for Skyrim.

Now if they want to actually show something, a statue or something similar, it seems the easy fix would be to make the statue but have it be in poor condition or destroyed to the point it's not recognizable what type of character is shown.

Yet another idea I have heard is that many people in the mortal world may not even know he was replaced. Those events all took place in Oblivion (Sheogorath's plane) so the statues could have been built before anyone in Tamriel would have known to change the statues.

There's lots of ways it could be handled without losing what was established in SI.

We just don't know, until we start reading all those lovely in-game lorebooks, which will explain everything (cool and dandy ), or leave us even more confused ( possibly even better ).

first of all, there is no problem at all, i don't remenber anyone or anything in oblivion talking about nerevarine, OUR character from morrowind, and definitly we will not see anyone talking about the hero of kvatch, or about how sheogorath has changed and stuff, they moved on, by what i know, all the daedric shrines are there, taking out maybe mehrunes dagon(i said MAYBE) and definitly sheogorath, since he pratically no longer exists, so yea, people should stop doing threads like "uhhh is this comming back?? uhhh even tough we saw it im still confused about it duuhuhuhuuu" because its just... pointless... BAH really whatever, there is no problem at all. i just clicked here to say this because its a waste of time to read your topic..

Sheogorath exists just as much in Skyrim as he did in Oblivion, he is a Daedric Prince, not a mortal. If you want to understand him instead of just shooting down a question that many people have then read the http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1170003-whats-up-with-the-tree-of-madness/ in the lore forum

Sheogorath comes back after the Greymarch don't he? So he'll just comeback and assume the mantel of Daedric Prince maybe take the champion as a host or what not. Regardless there is no need to worry since it can be easily fixed in lore and it would be badass if there was a shrine to Jyggalag and a quest for him with a new artifact given from him. I'm pretty condident there will be and I'm excited to see that.

I'm pretty sure the lore is that Sheogorath was actually Jyggalag the deadric prince of order and you set him free by fighting in his place and winning - thus letting Sheogorath become Jyggalag forever (who he actually was to begin with).

I'm pretty certain our characters from oblivion is Sheogorath now.

The reason I am so sure is because Jyggalag wasn't.

If a Daedric Prince is unsure if your a mortal or a god, then I'd say there definitely room to assume the mantle forever. :banghead:

Haskill should be on the madgods throne by then !!!
Heil Haskill

Haskill can't be on the madgods throne. Hes BORING BORING BORING... BORING!!!!!!!!

I don't think it matters. Daedric gods can come in whatever form they want can't they? Isn't that one of the perks of being a god?

The Hero of Kvatch is a madman who thinks he's Sheogorath.

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Bethesda could write it any way they want, and have all sorts of ways to write it at their disposal. Just about anything is possible in light of the fact that the premise is based on something that makes no logical sense in our actual physical reality, but is based on Daedric magic, and in the realm of insanity no less.

I think one good way to integrate the events in TES4 with how Sheogorath appears now would be to leave his statue looking like it used to look. The statue is, after all, not the god himself, but a hunk of rock that worshipers carved that was probably there since long before the events in TES4. Few return to Tamriel once they would have travelled far enough into the Shivering Isles to encounter the new madgod to be able to travel back and update all the statues with the new look. This eliminates the worry of how the statue should look based on what character actually was the HoK.

As for the voice, maybe the shrine doesn't do anything. Maybe because the new madgod started life as a mortal, he can't be summoned at a whim like other Daedra, and doesn't answer prayers anymore. Make his worshipers have dialogue that indicates there is a "maddening" absence of their master's voice lately. Or, have it sound just like the old Sheogorath, but don't explain it... that doesn't mean that the HoV has gone mad necessarily, but has decided to step into the role for consistency sake... or maybe he has gone mad. No one has to know the answer or explain it.

The worst option, but still an option, is that Haskill answers when you talk to the shrine, and indicates that the madgod is not available, but gives you some task to make you go away.

Come now folks. If the CoC mantled Sheogorath, he's going to look and sound however he wants to. Daedric princes change their forms to suit themselves. Beothiah seems to like switching genders now and then. Doesn't matter what the statues look like.


I still prefer the theory that Sheo drove the CoC mad and he now believes he's Sheo.

I say he/she didn't turn immortal and just became lord of the shivering isles (not a daedric prince (Sheogorath said so himself!).) So %PCName grev old and jyggaglag returned to finish him/her once and for all, then Jyggaglag turned the ilses back into his realm... it would be most sencemaking and easiest to make... all they'd have to do is not implerment Sheogorath and instead Jyggaglag...

I think a more important question is, now that Jyggalag is free, will we see him in Skyrim and be able to do quests for him?

I hope they do bring Sheogorath back in some way, shape or form - he's completely adorable!

Why would they change an ages old statue when they don't even know there's been a change in who Sheogorath is?

mad god HoK Sheogorath. mr champion of cyradill or what ever ain't a deadric prince, he is the mad god but not a deadric prince he is a mortal man/mer/lizard/pvssycat.

make a Jyggalag shrine / avatar / whatever instead. we freed him of his madgod curse after all. so he can take the other deadric realms from idk screw Molag bal. he doesn't deserve a realm.

Jyggalag is the deadric prince not sheogorath.

The Champion of Cyrodiil is now Sheogorath. Sheogorath brought the CoC into his realm for the purpose of having someone mantle him in order to break the curse. Because the CoC mantled Sheogorath, the CoC is now Sheogorath, and to everyone, it is though Sheogorath never disappeared. This was also done to write out the CoC.

So don't worry. Sheogorath will still be Sheogorath, but if there is any information about the CoC, it would likely be "the last person to see the CoC was a guard who witnessed the CoC enter Sheogorath's realm, never to return or be heard from again."

Of course, you can make up your own reasons of why your character is not the doGdaM

I think Molag Bal would be doing most of the screwing

I like that it lets u decide wat happens for urself but maybe a sneaky mention about his former life from Sheogorath would solve the whole think without messin up the lore...