I'm sure that many of you have seen the "Get SMART Series: The Basics" video that was recently released by Splash Damage. The video explains: "Operatives can plant computer hacking devices, disguise as fallen enemies, and spot HIDDEN ENEMY MINES by iron-sighting."

Hidden enemy mines. :facepalm:

Hidden as in all the other classes on the opposite team besides Operative can't see them at all?
I'm predicting an optimistic 20 threads raging about this on opening day. I understand I haven't played the game and I'm not trying to state an ultimatum here, but didn't Splash Damage talk extensively about removing kills that felt cheap, unfair or not fun for the player getting killed? This is why they took out sniping, but they decided to leave in mines? Can anybody rationalize how blowing your legs off on an invisible mine is any fun? Just saying... don't tell me I didn't warn you.

no im sure you can see them, its just when the operative spots them they'll show up on radar

They are concussive and not OHK.

Hopefully there will also be a limit to the number in a given area.

the operatives can see the mines no matter what however when they look at them through their site it than puts the min visible to all as well as puts it on the map i dont think it will be a problem because you can then shoot the mines to force explode them as well as the operatives will be able to see them from a distance sooooo we will see but also they will not be one shot kills so not to worry to much

Not to mention, when you step on the mine, it becomes visible, and you'll have a chance (very small timeframe) to stop and not get blown up. Then an Engineer can disarm (if you're an Engineer, great, otherwise, hope a friendly Engy reaches you before any enemies do...)

Well that's good news, but I'm still not sure about weather you can see them or not, otherwise why would they say HIDDEN enemy mines? It's not like mines are usually displayed on the radar. Also, even if they are concussive, imagine people putting them on popular ledges to free run onto, if you're jumping onto it it will be very hard to avoid.

Like the guys above said, Operatives can see them & spot them for your team to see. Engineers can disarm them if I'm not mistaken.

You're not.

And like I said above, they don't detonate as soon as you step on them.

The explode when you step OFF, so if you're on a mine, you'll be able to wait for someone to disarm it.

I understand that, I'm talking about the instances where you are not an Operative or Engineer.

In that case, they are invisible unless spotted.

Don't quote me on this, this is jsut what I've discerned from videos & comments here.

This is exactly what I have gathered as well, and that is what bugs me, the fact that they could potentially be invisible.

Hey, pick your battles, We won't know how they work until release.

But Brink has been in production/testing for years, for most of which it's been playable........ I can make an assumption that SD balanced them well.

Yes, from the sound of things, they WILL be invisible until spotted OR STEPPED ON.

Are my previous posts in the thread invisible?

Yeah I guess the pre-release questionableness all depends on your faith in Splash Damage. I do have faith, so I'm not particularly bothered by any of this, It's more about creating interesting conversation to hold me over for another couple weeks.

I reccomend Bungie.Net........... many lols are had there.

I'm quite sure a mine will blow up once it is armed.

If you want to see the mines and what they do in the video at 2:00 you cant see the mine but when the medic walks forward it becomes visible and incaps the medic who walks into it With more than half life.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_CykYOy6Lw&feature=related

I'm quite sure it will still be able to be disarmed.

It won't go off until you get off it, and if it gets disarmed before then, problem solved.

How do you know this, precisely?

Yes! This is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. That soldier had about 60% of his health and was killed by the mine, which not to mention was completely invisible to him and the medic playing in the video. This leads me to believe that only Operatives can see mines, and must spot them for the Engineers to take care of (as I expect Engineers can not see mines by themselves, otherwise the Operative skill would be useless). Having an invisible mine do that much damage to me would be a little more than an annoyance, especially if it killed me.

1. Previous Enemy Territory games did it with their mines.
2. Somewhere either here or on the Splash Damage forums someone was discussing this. A link was provided to a dev interview where they mentioned that classes hear pvssyr specific to their class - only Medics hear incapped teammates calling "MEDIC!" - and the other example they used was that only Engineers hear a teammate call for help when he steps on a mine.

EDIT: If I can find the thread, wherever it is (I probably won't, because I'm bad at doing that), I'll post a link.

Invisible mines worked great in W: ET. Going behind enemy lines as an engineer to plant mines on usual routes and near objectives like command posts was a great tactical asset. Small things like that really added depth to that game.

If mines were visible, they would very quickly become 100% useless against more experienced players. And people playing at absolute lowest possible detail settings would have more of an advantage over others because those mines would obviously be easier for them to spot with less eye candy cluttering the screen.

Great tactical asset maybe, but sometimes that doesn't translate well into fun.

I'll use this video for an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGBUssSP0g0 At 0:35 to 0:45 the player does some pretty cool parkour stunts.

Now imagine that player climbing up onto to the ledge and BANG! They just took 60% or more in damage, and got thrown off the edge, probably landing and taking some fall damage to finish them off. Now imagine that happening to you, A LOT, in all the popular parkour spots. THAT is what I am afraid of, and how are suppose to check if there is a mine there before you jump? You can't, because they are invisible!

Except it won't be BANG!

It'll be *click* STOP OR YOU BLOW UP.

You won't be blown up the second you touch the mine.

So alternatively I stand in place waiting for an Engineer? Yeah sounds like fun... I think I'd rather die.