As I said, it's not the Vault-Tec symbol. It's only a bit similar.

Let's say it was the Vault-Tec symbol.

From my observations, it almost seems it was added on later. Possibly painted?

My theory is, when the original settlers tried to get into Vault 101 and couldn't, maybe they painted the Vault-Tec symbol on the nuke as an insult? Saying that Vault-Tec was the source of all their problems?

That could explain why it isn't exactly like the "official" symbol.

Manya said that megaton was built from the remains of Planes that fell from the sky, (probably due the EM shock wave from the multiple nuclear missile impacts) and that there was ALSO a Ruined Airfield nearby with planes they salvaged

From what i've gathered from Manya , my guess is that a plane carrying a Vault-Tec bomb (Destination?) crashed after the nuclear explosion hit DC creating a crater.

Can we just get a pic of said logo? That would provide definite proof, no?

Whether the logo is vault-tec or not, the bomb is almost certainly American. The bomb is similar to a "fat man" bomb, the likes of which were dropped on Japan. These bombs are carried by aircraft, and theres no way a plane could have made it from China to the US in the two hour duration of the apocalypse.

There are rows and rows of identical bombs stacked on storage racks in the bunker of Fort Bannister I think, or one of the forts anyhow.
All identical in appearance to the Magaton Fatboy.

maybe the megaton bomb was accerdently droped by the enclave

The nuke was there long before the Encalve became active in the area.

I remember seeing that. I had gone in there ready to loot and scoot and found...at least a dozen bombs exactly like the one I'd disarmed in Megaton. Gave me a bit of a turn, definitely. I had chills going.

As for the Megaton bomb's logo, I hadn't really noticed. I rarely go down next to the bomb since I find the preacher from the Church of Atom annoying. I wish he'd get an overdose of rads and die, already. Anything to shut him up.

Nice theories everyone but there is one thing :


That is simply NOT the Vault-Tec symbol but the good old roundel of the US Air Force :grad:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Roundel_of_the_USAF.svg

you know, i always wondered where that airport is located. didnt see it in-game.

Wasn't there something about the space option at some point being recognized as flawed and impossible, so The Enclave resorted to the nuclear war/rebuilding society option? If so, it would make some sense they would encourage it in some ways once they were prepared, though I don't think there has been any official mention of it.

As for the logo on the bomb, it's pretty obvious it was a US bomb anyway, which was in a plane or fell from a plane that was scavaged to make Megaton, so it's not a hidden conspiracy. It is interesting Vault-Tec was building bombs though, I hadn't heard of that. As for The Enclave controlling Vault-Tec, I'm pretty sure that would be the case. You wouldn't contract them to do the work they were doing witout having complete control over them, I would think.

I think that decision was made after the bombs dropped IIRC.


You need to talk to the old lady in Megaton... The Airport is probably the most realistic facility in the game (in the fact that its no longer possible to work out where it is due to the sands of time (erosion, etc).

I remember reading that the bomb came from a crashed plane that went down, probably from an EMP

Yes because they didnt. Thats definitely the USAF roundel on the bomb and not the Vault-tec symbol.

They have some resemblance though-


This is the Vault-Tec symbol

[img]http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/f/f7/Vault_Tec_Logo_%28clean%29.png[/img]


This is the USAF roundel

[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/10/Roundel_of_the_USAF.svg/650px-Roundel_of_the_USAF.svg.png[/img]


EDIT : Why cant pictures be displayed in this forum ? I can see them when writing my post but as soon as i ehhmmm "post" my post i can only see those stupid links in the img brackets.

Or am i the only one who cant see the pictures ? :blink:

Ok, so its the USAF symbol...

Why they hell is the US bombing their own turf?

ANOTHER CONSPIRACY

long time ago, in this forum... a great man posted a porm image. So the Moderators, removed our ability to post images... for the greater good.

Plane went down, probably from an EMP.

Uh,....ok :blink: Strange decision....but ok..somehow. :blink:








Yeah, or maybe it was knocked out of sky by the blast. The bomb was not dropped, it came down along with the bomber that was carrying it.

That old woman from Megaton gives a hint to the plane crash when you ask her about the history of Megaton.

She says "People think the bomb made the crater but it didnt" as she witnessed the construction of Megaton and therefore also how parts of that bomber where used as first building material. All other plane parts came from a now dissappeard nearby airstrip she also mentions.

Thats propably why the bigger plane parts seem to have come from a civil passenger plane. There bomber itself propably broke into thousand pieces at impact.

I think MercyfulFate is right, a US plane was hit and lost it's payload on the way down. This could also explain why it didn't explode, while it may have been armed it wasn't actually launched so it was never set to go off (nuclear weapons are generally set to explode above their target to maximize the effect, rather than to explode on impact).


Reaver4567 is half right. After considerable abuses (trolling, flaming, inappropriate posts/pictures) we closed our OT forum, General Discussion, in September 02. This was initially done as a temporary measure. A group of people responded to this with a massive, protracted spam attack that involved posting pormography all over the place. This helped convince the admin to keep GD closed, and it also resulted in the image tag being disabled. ~18 months later we opened Community Discussion, but we didn't see a pressing need to bring the image tag back when they can be just as easily linked to and then people have some choice in what they want to load.

Actually, not to sound harsh here, but I would not put it past any government to the idea of bombing on our/their own soil as a last act of desperation - if half the US were truely conquered by a foreign army, and that army was killing and enslaving Americans by the thousands, I doubt there is Any weapon in the arsenal that would be off limits.

Example from populate fiction: Tom Clansey's movie, "Sum of All Fears" starts-off with the idea that Isreal launched an F-4 with a Nuke attached in the event that their ground forces would were over-run - i.e. dropping a bomb on the edges of their own soil to prevent total invasion.

Example from non-ficiton; WWII: Winston Churchill once even pushed the idea of using Poison Gas on the Germans to stop them, but Eisenhower blocked that emphatically. The idea of using horrific weapons, even close to home or on home soil, is entirely a matter of perspective.

I think under-estimating the human ability to do Anything to survive makes this scenario not only possible, but very likely in an all-out invasion sense. If we were ever invaded by China or another super-power, I would be Demanding they use tactical nuke's to stop it - and I'm sure no one would be complaining if that really happened and our entire nation was at risk of going down.

Humanity is dark, get used it it.

M

Uh, ok. That explains it.





Ive read about that. The irony is that neither Churchill nor the british intelligence services had the slightest idea what this would had unleashed as the germans had already discovered the secrets of nerve agents at that point.

German chemist professor Gerhard Schrader accidently created the nerve agent named "Tabun" in 1936 while actually searching for a more effective insecticide. With putting more research into this field he discovered a nerve agent he initially named Trilon-46. It was later renamed to "Sarin". Sarin is about 500 times more poisenous than cyanide. Thats the stuff which that sect used in the terror attack on the Tokyo metro in the 90's.

A blistering agent attack with mustard gas or phosgene with a few thousand deaths would had triggered a retaliation strike on Britain with propably hundreds of thousands of deaths. Not just because of the immense toxicity but also because gasmasks alone are useless against nerve agents as they also enter the body through simple skin contact. (Death within 2 minutes after skin contact or under 60 seconds if inhaled)

A third one called "Soman" was discovered in 1944 by chemist Richard Kuhn and 30.000 tons of Tabun had been produced until the end of the war. Hitler issued a strict order only to use it if the allies would use chemical weapons first.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerhard_Schrader

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabun_(nerve_agent)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soman

Sounds like Hitler was a decent chap after all!

Apart from the... you know... genocide...

In dialogue with the old lady, whos name I forget, she mentions Megaton was built from the crashed airplane that contained the bomb. She goes on, after you mention there is more material in megaton than what could come from one plane, to say they scav'd more airplane parts from a nearby airfield. I am pretty sure I remember this correctly.