High Elf Language alphabet?

Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:55 am

What do they use?

I found Falmer
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Falmer_Alphabet
Dwemer
and Dunmer but nothing about high elves ....
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 4:40 am

The alphabet Altmer use is likely pretty much the same as Tamrielic common, since Altmer culture is the precursor of most others.

For specific Altmer words I suppose you can try looking http://www.imperial-library.info/content/translation-dictionary.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:28 am

so If you find carvings and writings for altmer those woudl be in roman letters?
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:25 am

so If you find carvings and writings for altmer those woudl be in roman letters?

I always assume that in the game things are translated for the player convenience.
Like for instance movies that take place in places where they dont speak English are still in English.
But yes, I think that Altmer use more or less the same aphabet as Tamrielic common.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:50 am

I recall reading that old Altmeri texts needed to be suppressed due to containing dangerous magic or magical language.. Don't remember where I read this, but it's likely it was on the UESP.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:00 am

I recall reading that old Altmeri texts needed to be suppressed due to containing dangerous magic or magical language.. Don't remember where I read this, but it's likely it was on the UESP.

From the PGE1 on the Aldmeri Dominion:

The Direnni were either exceedingly paranoid or their system of economy so inextricably linked with dangerous theosophist numeral-symbolism that much of what is recorded here requires... sorcerous precautions on the part of the reader.

[Hidden magic] is everywhere incorporated in their writings... signs and preternatural runes and [correspondences]... in expenditure columns, even, or margins [that] can be fatal to the uninitiated. Crucial pages were covered with the spittle of the previous translator, who had babbled idiotically over the text for days before catching fire."
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 4:07 am

I recall reading that old Altmeri texts needed to be suppressed due to containing dangerous magic or magical language.. Don't remember where I read this, but it's likely it was on the UESP.

I assume that is the habit of using Daedric Alphabet while they've already got used to dealing with the Daedra. Take a look at old Fyr and how he and Aryon used Daedric Alphabet for the safe sake.
In everyday life and texts with no need to secure, common alphabet is more likely to come.
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:35 pm

There are any samples of written altmer text ? Carvings? Writings ? Perhaps their alphabet is similar to falmer or they use daedric?
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:19 pm

There are any samples of written altmer text ? Carvings? Writings ? Perhaps their alphabet is similar to falmer or they use daedric?
Actually...I don't think we have seen any type of text in game for the Altmer. Thus far its only been something we've read about, not actually seen as opposed to Falmer/Dwemer ect.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:30 am

I think could be closer to falmer .... Is from what i would start if I was in Bethesda ... But I actually hope they will give altmer the proper language amd alphabet as they are far too civilized to use a common tongue shared with humans ...

How bout ayleds...?
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:16 am

I think could be closer to falmer .... Is from what i would start if I was in Bethesda ... But I actually hope they will give altmer the proper language amd alphabet as they are far too civilized to use a common tongue shared with humans ...

How bout ayleds...?

Exactly because the Altmer are far too civilized so that man took their alphabet as their own. It is like in real world the Japanese took Chinese characters to transform them to their kana, and the oldest Japanese books are totally written with Chinese characters.

And Aldmeris and Altmeris(?) are perhaps not just the same as Cyrodiilic and modern Tamrielic Common. Latin is different from Renaissance Italian and is different from modern Italian, and both Renaissance Italian and modern Italian are different from Renaissance French and modern French.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 4:49 am

So any altmer writing could resemble more of a greek / phoenician alphabet compared to the derivative roman letters of common tongue imperial? ......

Perhaps bethesda will develop a simplified more elegant style for the "roman" letters ... Or perhaps all written language is just translated into roman english for easy understanding in game terms...
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:17 pm

So any altmer writing could resemble more of a greek / phoenician alphabet compared to the derivative roman letters of common tongue imperial? ......

Perhaps bethesda will develop a simplified more elegant style for the "roman" letters ... Or perhaps all written language is just translated into roman english for easy understanding in game terms...

Well, the fact is that, we never really see any modern Tamrielic Common written/carved forms in all the games. All we have seen are their "translation" into English or any other earth languages.

So there's really no need to stick Altmeri alphabet to Roman alphabet.
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:51 pm

After seeing the thread about Altmer names based on numbers, I was thinking the alphabet was some crazy binary language (or trinary, etc).
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 7:16 am

A topic about Ayleidoon language was posted a while ago . It isn't canon, so I don't know if this is what you seek, but I found it well written. If you manage to find it...
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:50 am

It is almost certainly similar to the Falmer, Ayleid, and the two Dwemer fonts (the Skyrim and Morrowind fonts vary a bit). I'd make it more stylized and complex, similar to how the Falmer alphabet is, perhaps drawing inspiration from http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-E_68BRRtQcI/T778owP7YmI/AAAAAAAACgc/eKdXA5aHDl0/s1600/islamic_calligraphy9.gif http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/80/Muhaqqaq_script.gif.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:48 am

I assume that is the habit of using Daedric Alphabet while they've already got used to dealing with the Daedra. Take a look at old Fyr and how he and Aryon used Daedric Alphabet for the safe sake.
In everyday life and texts with no need to secure, common alphabet is more likely to come.
Those were dunmer. Dunmer are very different from Altmer.
It is almost certainly similar to the Falmer, Ayleid, and the two Dwemer fonts (the Skyrim and Morrowind fonts vary a bit). I'd make it more stylized and complex, similar to how the Falmer alphabet is, perhaps drawing inspiration from http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-E_68BRRtQcI/T778owP7YmI/AAAAAAAACgc/eKdXA5aHDl0/s1600/islamic_calligraphy9.gif http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/80/Muhaqqaq_script.gif.
I thought the Dwemer were culturally isolated from the other Mer. They never left Tamriel, and all that jazz.

Otherwise, I'd go and look at the samples we have of Ehlnofey, and maybe even the Dragon Tongue, and add some influences from there. The Altmer are all about keeping ancient traditions pure, and as such their language would probably preserve many elements from the ancient languages.

As for the script, that's really up to you. I personally think it should probably be more like Ayleid than Falmer. One real-world influence you might use that I've always thought would be nice to see would be http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hangul#Morpho-syllabic_blocks which would fit in with the Altmeri obsession with order.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:37 am

I thought the Dwemer were culturally isolated from the other Mer. They never left Tamriel, and all that jazz.
Sure, but they still use Ehlnofex an style alphabet.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 4:21 am

Good point. I guess they'd just be another branch on the Ehlnofex tree, though a little bit further away from Altmeri than either Ayleid or Falmer.
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:58 pm

Are there references to ayled alphabet? To me seems ... Due also to sll the eagle references of the ayled and high elves , and not falmer ... That the ayled would be the closest one ...
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:41 am

Are there references to ayled alphabet? To me seems ... Due also to sll the eagle references of the ayled and high elves , and not falmer ... That the ayled would be the closest one ...

http://images.uesp.net/b/b7/AyleidLanguage_example.jpg
Also, this is supposed to be http://images.uesp.net/5/50/OB-KotN-DwemerRunes.jpg, too. Despite the label.


The Falmer variety is very much like calligraphy. They had to time to write fancy script and enjoy the beauty of it. Whereas, the Dwemer probably just wrote as fast as they could, to get what they needed to be said out there and be-damned-if-it-looks-nice.
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:44 pm

The last look more dwemer than elven ...
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:11 am

I threw that one in there because it's part of the Knights of the Nine quest.
Since the villain is an Ayleid, it made sense to me that he'd write his threat in Ayleidoon.

But the first picture is probably a safer bet.
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:20 pm

Is there any corresponde nce ? I can recognize. A minimal similitude with daedric letters and the falmer touchthat. Looks less ornate and more practical writing .... The falmer one looks more nice tough ...
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:30 pm

Is there any corresponde nce ? I can recognize.

I'm not sure what you are asking, sorry.


On a side note, all the varieties look a bithttp://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/images/hebrewc.gif to me. In shape at least.
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