Holy crap, do people actually think that is a legitimate comparison!?

4E 20

This tower once served as a meeting place where those brave souls who achieved safe passage to Skyrim would find loved ones, and leave notice for others who could not be found.

Let it stand in honor of those who had the strength and spirit to accept Skyrim's Offer "untithed to any thane or hold, and self-governed, with free worship, with no compensation to Skyrim or the Empire except as writ in the Armistice of old wheresoever those might still apply, and henceforth let no Man or Mer say that the Sons and Daughters of Kyne are without mercy or honor."

We, the Jarls of Skyrim, hereby decree this site as monument to the struggle of those who fled their native home of Morrowind in the time following the Red Year.

We'll anolyze it carefully.

This tower - Refugees' Rest

Let it stand in honor - The tower

Skyrim's offer - The offer of Solsthiem 4E 16

Hereby decree this site monument to the struggle - The tower

Are you saying 'Skyrim's offer' Exactly word for word, the offer of Solsthiem. Means the Dunmer?

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120511213934/gameofthrones/images/5/5c/Eddard_1x01.jpg

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110626030942/gameofthrones/images/9/9c/EddardStark.jpg

http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/089/8/d/skyrim_screenshots__ulfric_stormcloak_3_by_vincent_is_mine-d4ugcmw.jpg

Hell yea

You're assuming that the offer the Decree speaks of is that of Solstheim. That's an assumption you've created, and not a single word in the Decree itself so much as hints that it is the case. A lot says otherwise, however. For instance, look at the wording: the description of the subject of the Decree does not match up to Solstheim, at all. It speaks of being 'untithed to any thane or hold' and of having 'free worship,' two stipulations not necessarily unless the subject was within the gifter's sovereign territory. Solstheim isn't. It also says 'self-governed.' Solstheim isn't.

This isn't just splitting hairs: if something's not self-governed, it isn't self-governed, and Solstheim fits under that definition. The subject of the Decree does not. Thus, the subject of the Decree cannot be Solstheim.

Don't know the other guy is.. But one is sixy, and one is fat and ugly.

The Ulfric fangirl threads would like to have a word with you..

http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1472328-the-unofficial-ulfric-fangirl-thread-17/page-8?hl=%2Bulfric+%2Bfangirl#entry23333244

Fat? Try sixy Nordic beast, no homo:

http://ericanorth.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/ulfric-talking.jpg

I don't think Ulfie is a racist, I think Galmar wears the pants in that relationship, and he is the racist.

Galmar is no more racist than Ulfric is, as is evident when you join him as an elf or otherwise.

And:

http://cs.uesp.net/index.php?game=sr&formid=0x000b8ebc

This isn't racism, it's Nationalism. Get your isms straight.

Both of them say nothing racist, but Galmar doesn't even have allegations around him. How did you arrive at this...?

Oh. You took what he says about the Thalmor out of its obvious context. I remember this type of debate...

Someone will jump on this, so I'll state nationalism is 'any political idea with the nation at its heart,' i.e. racism or supremacism is not implied as many people seem to think it is.

EDIT: I am using my degree modules so badly today.

EDIT: This was my four-thousandth post.

We will have to agree to disagree there, Galmar makes many comments that are outright racist in my book. However I cannot recall Ulfie saying any, I will say that much.

On topic: I voted Ulfric as High King in the poll, regardless of my misgivings regarding him, his motives and his past, I still think he would make a strong High King in comparison to Brunwulf.

Lol, oh then that is fine. I admit they do look a bit alike. But that is the only similarity I see between them.

I have never been a huge fan of cross series comparisons, too many discrepancies and interpretation. Personally wouldn't compare GoT characters to Skyrim or any game for that matter.

He probably is a bit racist, like everyone. I'll admit right now that I've said things that would be considered racist before, usually in a humorous manner. I however am no racist. It would be hard for me to be one considering I'm biracial.

Comments made in passion, I.E. "Those pointy eared bastards" when talking about the Thalmor who happen to primarily be elves, are 'technically' racist, if we must get nit picky. If it was a group of black people, or whatever and he said those black bastards, most people would be going despite what the Thalmor are doing, ironically.

However, we've seen more than enough of Galmar and his attitude to recruits and what his philosophy truly is to surmise that he isn't this raging racist that wants to put argonians and dunmer in a pit like his brother. People probably assume that his brother being racist makes him racist. If that were true, then I'd be a huge racist because of my grandmother. Silly.

Also, why are people so quick to jump down Ulfric and Galmar's throat for racism, but say nothing of Tullius?

http://cs.uesp.net/index.php?game=sr&formid=0x000c347c

Imperial man's burden? Seems rather racist, yet Imps don't care. Ironic. They forget the Imperial practice is as racist as they think Ulfric's segregation is.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/white+man%27s+burden

Oh [censored] Ulfric is losing atm.

Guys, get ready to kill high king Free-Winter.

They do sound it, but from other comments made in a similar vein it is apparent he's talking about the Thalmor, and the Thalmor aren't a race. He has no problem talking to the player character, if they're an elf.

People only seem to react to 'racism' if they have someone point it out to them. If it weren't for Rolff, it would never have crossed the minds of most of the people on here. The same's true of the blatant Imperial-backed discrimination against Reachman in Markarth, or the damn Thalmor, of all people. The reaction of Imperial sympathisers to either is one of utter blindness or meek acceptance.

That's how the Stormcloaks can get in the neck for 'racism,' when they're the only ones unwilling to turn a blind eye to the Thalmor's extermination of everyone who's not a xth-generation Altmer pureblood from Alinor.

I myself don't personally consider Tullius racist, nor do I think Ulfric is.

But I do consider Alexia Vici a racist. And she's royalty I believe.

http://cs.uesp.net/index.php?game=sr&formid=0x000618be

http://cs.uesp.net/index.php?game=sr&formid=0x000a703e

Second this, I personally don't like Ulfric much but I don't view him as racist. Racially biased yes, but as far as I can tell like 95% of all the TES game characters are like that including Tullius. So I tend not to think to much about it.

Bcuz de empiyur is de greytest an dey r fur de peeple ov tamriel. any1 hu sirvs de emperur iz gud. any1 hu iz aganst de emperur iz bad.

Lol, I seriously had to read that a few times to fully understand what you said.

"There is much to do, and I need every able bodied man and woman committed to rebuilding Skyrim." - Ulfric Stormcloak

http://cs.uesp.net/index.php?game=sr&formid=0x00035b12

/facepalm

If Ned had a grave, he would be rolling in it. If they ever made a Skyrim movie, Shaun Bean should play Ulfric, just so he can die at the end. In all seriousness, Ulfric should be played by Vlad Kulich, the guy that actually voice him in the game. Look him up. Ned would be ashamed of Ulfric, the killer of kings.

Can you really call that racism. The Stormcloaks are wearing bears on their heads for Talos sake. Bears! The Nords have always been considered barbarians by the non-Nord humans. Everybody is a bit racist. The thing is, Imperials, Nords and Bretons are considered the white people of Tamriel, since Atmora is basically where the Nedic people and Atmorans come from. Now, Dark Elves = completely different.

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110622085002/gameofthrones/images/e/ee/Eddard_and_Petyr_1x07.png

I think Ulfric should be played by Penelope Cruz, and Galmar by Monica. Javier Bardem should be Elisif, and Tullius Tom Cruise. Some damn fine intrigue right there.

It's as racist as anything Galmar comes out with, and far beyond anything Ulfric says.

False, that's a claim made by imperial propaganda but debunked by a couple devs. And I'm not sure where you're going with the "dark people" versus "white people" thing. Nowhere good, I suspect.

Ned Stark was an idiot who launched a kingdoms-decimating war like his brother and father before him. I'll take Ulfric's pragmatic ruthlessness over pig-headed paladin stupidity any day.

P.S. Again with the bear helmets. You know what Roman standard bearers used to wear on their heads? Three guesses.