Is Hircine evil? : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Sun Oct 21, 2012 3:39 am

I would think so, but then you have NPCs in Skyrim who are clearly not evil or bloodthirsty yet willingly subject themselves to lycanthropy.

» Sun Oct 21, 2012 2:08 pm

.neM fo ecneicsnoC eht flaH si ohw ENICRIH oT

» Sun Oct 21, 2012 3:29 pm

No Daedric prince is inherently "evil". They just like to toy with the beings of Mundas. Azura is one you could actually classify as "good" in a sense.

» Sun Oct 21, 2012 6:15 pm

From the UESP wiki, which sums up your question perfectly:

Daedra do have a penchant for extremes and are therefore capable of tremendous acts of devastation, but only Boethiah, Molag Bal, Mephala, Namira, Mehrunes Dagon and Peryite seem to take genuine pleasure in them. As Daedra are beyond mortal comprehension, they are thought incapable of being truly "good" or "evil" in the mortal sense, and for the most part, their actions and behaviors, as well as their very natures are merely interpreted by mortals as being subjectively evil, as this is how many of the infinite Daedric concepts "transliterate" into the finite mortal world.

No Daedric prince is inherently "evil". They just like to toy with the beings of Mundas.

This.
Hircine isn't "evil" he just wants friends who do stuff for him :tongue:

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Daedra

» Sun Oct 21, 2012 5:07 pm

They just like to toy with the beings of Mundas.

Which, to those beings, is an evil act, no?

» Sun Oct 21, 2012 6:31 pm

Which, to those beings, is an evil act, no?

Apparently you ignored my entire post:

their actions and behaviors, as well as their very natures are merely interpreted by mortals as being subjectively evil, as this is how many of the infinite Daedric concepts "transliterate" into the finite mortal world.

» Sun Oct 21, 2012 7:38 am

i don't like the whole deadra can't be evil argument, that you can't judge them by their spheres because they are above morality and mortality. If a daedric lord is acts like a [censored] bag, then more than likely he is a [censored]. A better way of saying it is that if they reprsent an evil idea such as "graqe" (you know what i mean) then they don't have humanity's best interest at heart and are pretty evil. Granted most daedric lords spheres aren't so one sided, and appear more grey. Sheo's influence brings creativity and madness as an example

Hircine isn't evil exactly, he embodies the hunt and everything about it. Hunting is natural, and we'd all be boring cows without it driving us.

Also the people who subject themselves to lychrothypy in skyrim are the companions, and they basically have no drawbacks...so its basically win-win for them

» Sun Oct 21, 2012 4:33 pm

Well since we're left to assume that a fair part of Tamriel's obtainment of food is based on hunting game like deer and Hircine is hunting itself, I think probably not.

» Sun Oct 21, 2012 5:32 am

Which, to those beings, is an evil act, no?

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AboveGoodAndEvil

» Sun Oct 21, 2012 8:01 pm

i don't like the whole deadra can't be evil argument, that you can't judge them by their spheres because they are above morality and mortality. If a daedric lord is acts like a [censored] bag, then more than likely he is a [censored]. A better way of saying it is that if they reprsent an evil idea such as "graqe" (you know what i mean) then they don't have humanity's best interest at heart and are pretty evil. Granted most daedric lords spheres aren't so one sided, and appear more grey. Sheo's influence brings creativity and madness as an example

Hircine isn't evil exactly, he embodies the hunt and everything about it. Hunting is natural, and we'd all be boring cows without it driving us.

Graqes are natural too. And I bet that Spriggans would disagree with you about Hircine.

» Sun Oct 21, 2012 10:08 am

Graqes are natural too. And I bet that Spriggans would disagree with you about Hircine.

sure, but its still a negative idea. And a whole entity based around graping domination and perversion of good would be evil. And whether he knows evil is pretty irrelevant to being evil, you can be ignorant and guilty after all

Also spriggin's are pricks and i don't care about their opinions :biggrin:

» Sun Oct 21, 2012 4:15 am

.neM fo ecneicsnoC eht flaH si ohw ENICRIH oT

Interesting. Would Kynareth be the other half, then? Reverence for nature, and the drive to exploit it?

» Sun Oct 21, 2012 6:01 am

Interesting. Would Kynareth be the other half, then? Reverence for nature, and the drive to exploit it?

I've always like the idea linking Kynareth to Hircine, it's like she's nature acting on humans and Hircine is humans acting on nature.

And as for the "can Daedra be evil" you may as well ask that of a star or a rock for most of them because they have about as much self-determination as either of those.

» Sun Oct 21, 2012 4:13 am

Hircine is the hunter, but he's also the hunted.

Which is why he manifests as a spectral deer in Skyrim. Are deer evil?

» Sun Oct 21, 2012 5:23 am

Good and evil are subjective. One may view him as evil, another may not. It all depends on a person's beliefs and reasoning.

Hircine doesn't go out of his way to harm mortals. And the hunt is an important aspect of living (one has to get food somehow..).