Hit squad spawning is... kinda screwy...

Post » Sun Jul 31, 2011 3:54 am

The Legion Hit Squad now properly respawns and continually hounds you now. Great, was getting kinda boring out in the wastes.

However... there's still a big problem with it: they instantly spawn if you commit an attack against the faction they belong to.

There's a little mini-encampment of Legion raiders a bit south of Novac. I decide to wipe them out, as I've been planning on giving the big FU to the Legion since my need to not be on their bad side has expired with the completion of my tasks in the Fort Bunker. Before I'm even finished killing them, it seems Edward Sallow has already heard about my affront to him and instantly teleported his Legion Hit Squad to attack me.
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Enie van Bied
 
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Post » Sun Jul 31, 2011 1:22 am

Or maybe they've been tracking you for a while, and only decided to attack when they saw you kill their comrads.
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Jonathan Montero
 
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Post » Sun Jul 31, 2011 2:22 am

That is a plausible idea. Or perhaps those assassins were already nearby? If you are near Novac, there are some wandering Legionaires
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A Lo RIkIton'ton
 
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Post » Sun Jul 31, 2011 8:16 am

They have been stalking you since you where shot in the head.
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Lynne Hinton
 
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Post » Sun Jul 31, 2011 2:05 pm

So such heavy weaponry and armor are typical scout gear?
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Trevor Bostwick
 
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Post » Sun Jul 31, 2011 5:07 am

That has to be a bug, it's supposed to be three days...
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Rachel Hall
 
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Post » Sun Jul 31, 2011 1:40 am

Its a cheap way to get cl to do damage to you. Im not thrilled with the air drop spawns either, but at least something in the wastes can hurt me now.

I ran into a death squad right after OWB alone, and they killed me. It took several times for me to survive. I could have cheated and froze time and spammed stims and drugs, but I don t do that.

I do not like the air drops, especially if I have ed e with me, and they just appear within his radar, but I d rather have them than not.

At least it is a challege you have to deal with.
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Post » Sun Jul 31, 2011 12:40 am

I'm just glad they're actually spawning now like they're supposed to.
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Post » Sun Jul 31, 2011 4:43 am

That sounds fun. :hubbahubba: Though, I haven't really noticed a difference in the hit squad spawn rate. :sadvaultboy:
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Daramis McGee
 
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Post » Sun Jul 31, 2011 3:18 am

So such heavy weaponry and armor are typical scout gear?

It's typical assassin gear.
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Chad Holloway
 
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Post » Sun Jul 31, 2011 4:43 pm

the gulp n' stop or what ever the hell it's called they kept spawning and killed everyone there and i HAD to fast travel there for a quest it was sad, damn legion i'm glad i killed ceaser ( it was easy)
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Leonie Connor
 
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Post » Sun Jul 31, 2011 12:32 pm

That happened to me a couple of patches back. Got ganked right after completing Booted and putting down the legionaries around the camp.
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BRAD MONTGOMERY
 
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Post » Sun Jul 31, 2011 1:48 pm

It's typical assassin gear.


It was mostly in response to TheChosenOne's comment that they've been trailing for some time. That's a scout's job. Scouts are typically outfitted to go long distances, which means lighter pack weight. Scouts observe and report, they don't typically attack because they're not outfitted with heavy weaponry.
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Erich Lendermon
 
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Post » Sun Jul 31, 2011 6:14 am

Well my Fatman has something different to say. I found some near Nipton, they charged me waited waited, one mini nuke BOOM! I win.
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Post » Sun Jul 31, 2011 6:53 am

the gulp n' stop or what ever the hell it's called they kept spawning and killed everyone there and i HAD to fast travel there for a quest it was sad, damn legion i'm glad i killed ceaser ( it was easy)


They attacked me there as well. Problem is i play with the Increased Wasteland Spawns mod, so after they had dealt with the NCR and geckos it took one shot from me deal with what was left :lmao:

Atleast i got a Brush Gun for Cass from it. Hope they attack me again soon, 45-70 ammo is hard to come by. Reminds me of the Combat Armor and Ammo Delivery Service of Fallout 3 (AKA Talon Company) :hehe:
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Post » Sun Jul 31, 2011 2:44 am

Its a cheap way to get cl to do damage to you. Im not thrilled with the air drop spawns either, but at least something in the wastes can hurt me now.

I ran into a death squad right after OWB alone, and they killed me. It took several times for me to survive. I could have cheated and froze time and spammed stims and drugs, but I don t do that.

I do not like the air drops, especially if I have ed e with me, and they just appear within his radar, but I d rather have them than not.

At least it is a challege you have to deal with.

Ditto apart from the deathclaws and cazadors you always have to keep the death squads in the back of your mind
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Post » Sun Jul 31, 2011 1:00 pm

Since I finished OWB I seem to constantly get attacked by NCR Ranger squads. Just last night I'd taken one out for another to respawn in the distance. I play on 360 so no mods or anything.. I also have another save where i keep getting the Legion hit squads. It's a nice new challenge but took me a bit by surprise on one of my lower level saves.
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Post » Sun Jul 31, 2011 4:35 am

I hate it that they spawn and instantly rush your position, even if they don't see you. Thats a little problematic if you're playing stealthy. :ninja:
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Post » Sun Jul 31, 2011 2:14 am

I like the hit squads; they're a fun added challenge. One thing they have done, though, is stopped me from running across the Mohave (as I used to do once I cleared an area of all hostiles). Now, I find that, if I'm running, I'll run headlong into them and, on hard/hardcoe, wearing only light armor, I will get killed easily. So, I've resorted to sneaking everywhere, as if I'm exploring the area for the first time. This way, I can take out the scout (who travels ahead of the squad) without alerting the rest of them, and then get the jump on the rest of them before they see me.
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Post » Sun Jul 31, 2011 3:01 pm

I'm experiencing the same thing as Huebi on this one that makes it just too cheesy for me to even believe that the legion was stalking me. I've been murdering so many of these packs that I've noticed they all have static spawn points, they don't appear in the world until you get close enough to the static spawn point, and once they have appeared even if you are crouched and stealthboy'd up they will still somehow know exactly where you are and come running directly at you. This scenario plays out the exact same every time, I get rushed by these legionaries, almost in a single file line, and they aways know where i am.

This is fine if your a character who's designed to handle all confrontations by pumping out an insane amount of DPS capable of penetrating 5 individuals who are all wearing 14-18dt armor and they only rush you from 1 angle, the angle your already looking in. However not all of us play characters that just focus their [censored] strength in 1 direction and plow through any obstacle like they were the juggernaut. Some of us like to incorporate real world elements into how we fight such as using cover, decoys, traps, flanking, or anything else. Lets face it the british had it wrong. lining up and shooting each other like gentlemen is a pretty boring way to practice war.

I'd prefer if these hit squads were already in the world at all times, on preset patrol paths, and their likleyhood to be near you depends on stalking techniques. such as if you just completed a high profile mission where the whole world knew what you did, then I'd expect the faction that hates you to have their hit squad nearby, actual scouts that exist in the world that see you then run away to inform the hit squad (That is correct, I am disagreeing with vanguard, out of the 80+ times I've triggered hit squads there has never once been a scout type character that informed them of my location, however the one that leads the attack is always a melee with supersledge and the highest DT armor of the group), for the squads to also not have some magical vision that shows them your location regardless of your stealthiness.

Some of the upsides I've noticed about the hit squads is that they unlike most npcs in game actually work as a team, but it might be a poorly scripted team as every encounter is identical. For legion they all have javelins, plasma grenades, plasma mines, a 5mm fully auto rifle, a 308 sniper rifle, a super sledge, and brush guns. The encounter will play out as 1-2 grenades being lobbed at you, every gun opens fire, and the melee guy rushes you. This is the only time in the game when NPCs are thrown at you in a way that implies they are working together. Every other npc encounter follows the same rules, they target you, they aim at you, they try to kill you, they run away if wounded, they are completely oblivious to if they have superior numbers than you or not, and they never try moves such as flanking or anything that involves any kind of strategy.
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Post » Sun Jul 31, 2011 8:52 am

Why don't the hit squads attack me i'm vilified, maybe i'm not worthy :violin:
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Post » Sun Jul 31, 2011 4:06 am

The Legion Hit Squad now properly respawns and continually hounds you now. Great, was getting kinda boring out in the wastes.

However... there's still a big problem with it: they instantly spawn if you commit an attack against the faction they belong to.

There's a little mini-encampment of Legion raiders a bit south of Novac. I decide to wipe them out, as I've been planning on giving the big FU to the Legion since my need to not be on their bad side has expired with the completion of my tasks in the Fort Bunker. Before I'm even finished killing them, it seems Edward Sallow has already heard about my affront to him and instantly teleported his Legion Hit Squad to attack me.


I noticed the other day when I was hunting Legion down belown Forlorn Hope, that when I attacked the few I saw, a hit squad showed up. I happened to be companionless, so I was fighting 9 of em off myself.
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Post » Sun Jul 31, 2011 1:37 am

Why don't the hit squads attack me i'm vilified, maybe i'm not worthy :violin:


Just wait...... I said the same thing. Now I'm selling Legion armor by the truckload.
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helen buchan
 
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Post » Sun Jul 31, 2011 11:48 am

Do you need a parch for hit squads to appear?
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latrina
 
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Post » Sun Jul 31, 2011 2:03 am

Yes. Easily the best, and fastest, way to get super rich in New Vegas now. Happy Legion farming!
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