To hell with hitler. We don't need him in any more game.

Can you explain your attitude toward depictions of him in games representing those times as we are not talking a glorification of him or his regime ?

Using the word "gay" for something you don't like is homophobic behaviour, you are directly associating homosixual people with a bad thing. The commercial is right, you shouldn't do it. People shouldn't deal with it, because that expression is like saying being gay is bad. I have to admit I use that expression myself, but don't say it's ok to use it just because you do it.

Are you guys forgetting that its actually illegal for the swastika to appear in some European countries? Displaying Hitler might make those peep unhappy.

As much as I like freedom of expression in art (and video games do come under this category), the publishers have a job to sell these games to as wide of an audience as possible.

I voted yes, but only if i can kill him like in Inglorious Bastards. I don't see any fowl play as long as he is the enemy and fails miserably at my hand.

Well yeah actually I can. You see his evil has affected millions. We shouldn't bring him back. Some people might be offended. Especially in present day germany.
For example. Modern Warfare 2. Mission "No russian" you kill russians and what not. It had to be recalled in russia to take out that level.

You mean no disrespect but that is what you have done. To say a 2 full generations is ancitent history is basically saying people should get over it. I believe you need to go and re-edit your post, becuase it's insulting and very very disrespectful.

Yes you made some good points about Stalin and Genghis Khan but you hit a very low when you said Hitler's atrocities is ancient history, it is not.

I might be wrong but I thought it was illegal in Germany to have Hitler in a game, and that's why games like Civilization do not have him? It's best to just leave him out vs making your game illegal in an entire country, or so I was told.

The only time you can have Hitler in Germany in games or movies, if he is protrayed historically. I am not sure if Hearts of Iron is sold in Germany but he is portrayed historically so I am assuming it is sold in Germany, but in a video game just to shoot and kill him, the game will not be allowed to be sold in Germany then.

You can't even make fun in public of Hitler with Legs closed, arm and hand raisd out with the other hand using two fingers for the mustache, and saying "hail Hilter", you can be arrested for that. It is a very serious thing, and this person to make lite of it is wrong.

Somwhere between 11 - 17 million people were hauled off to death camps and exterminated in horrible ways at the orders of Hitler. Regardless of whether it was over 50 years ago or not, this has left an unquantifiable scar on humanity that will not just fade with time. The Holocaust is still fresh in most peoples minds as the most explicitly vile example of inhumanity in human history. It is very understandable that people don't wish to see Hitler, his likeness, or that of his regime portrayed in video games. I also find it just as bizarre that the likes of Stalin and Genghis Khan are portrayed as "great men" in history. Regardless of how strategicly talented they may have been, they were all equally and violently ruthless in their insanity.

However if we consider video games as art, then they have just as much right to provoke a response and to let people ask such questions. I do personaly think that these people should be represented, as they are part of our history and serve as a reminder as NOT what to become as a people, as long as they are not glorified in any way whatsoever. And that includes being able to go up and shoot them directly in the head; after all we shouldn't degrade ourselves by indulging in their kind of behaviour.

Don't blame rating people, blame Germany

No not the Reich, but the Government and Entertainment areas today. They think Kino Der Toten is actually promoting Nazism. :facepalm:

In BF1942, the original release had the German flag be a Nazi flag, but guess who got that ruined for the rest of us

Germany

If a game so much mentions a Nazi name, flag, or place. Its promoting Nazism.

And yes i realize there was a Holocaust, and frankly no one in their right minds would add that in a video game, but we are talking about Hitler and him in video games.

Not sure if you are getting political here now. But I don't get what you are saying. It is Germany's fault that ruined it for us? Who do you mean by us?

You can't blame Germany.

There are equally good people in Germany as there are anywhere else just as there are complete [censored]s in other places just as their are in Germany.

No, we must take responsibility as a global people, as citizens of this earth, so that nothing like this happens again.

They're just trying to forget their dark past where they were the #1 global enemy. Put people's feelings above your entertainment.

They are not trying to forget their dark past. It's a big shame, they just don't want people profiting from it and exploiting it I believe. If you forget the past, you will repeat the same mistakes.
They just don't need what Hollywood does and make a mockery of what has happened.

When people simply decide to forget the past, they are doomed to repeat it.

If Hitler is portrayed Historically then I see no problem with him being in a vidogame.

On the subject of Hitler, I'd like to see a game that in it's beginning shows him in a positive light in the height of power, it might offend some, but I also think it would show WHY he was so powerful, he had the charisma and ability to sound very convincing. I think it'd be a good history lesson for the younger crowds today, show them how someone so vilified by history got to where he was to begin with.

What i was trying to say was

Germany is trying to destroy their past, but you can't. Why hide it? You need to accept it. I'd be more than happy for a game that lets me assassinate Hitler, but that would get banned in Germany because of "Nazi influences"

Whilst you can discuss whether Hitler should be allowed to be portrayed in games, discussion of the man himself, his politics, actions, rise to power and the influence and effect he had is not permitted.

Yeah, I know it severely limits the discussion - sorry, that's the way it is on these forums.

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I can understand why those wouldn't be allowed in this thread as they would be somewhat off topic, but aren't those not part of history itself? How can we discuss someones character, and his character certainly is the reason he is avoided, without going into the list of things you have provided? Granted that there are certain groups that glorify his actions (even today), how do we speak of the man but not what made him? These things are at the very core of this discussion.

In the past we have been allowed to discuss things like this in the Roman nature, which is ancient history but why put a blanket on a very important part of world history? No offense intended as I know you are just doing your job but I find such a ruling offensive to the study of world history.

Heaven forbid someone gets upset anymore.

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" - George Santayana

to this generation of kids he and wwii most certainly are ancient history, we have been in 3 major conflicts since wwii,.... korea, vietnam, and now in the middle east for a second time,... what constitutes ancient history to you 1000's of yr's ? there is no disrespect intended or given and I will not be told to go back and rewrite anything, I will not be censored for this as I have done no wrong and in America if I am not hurting any1 or violating thier rights I may indeed speak of such things as I see fit, I can see that you think that my subject is wrong and hurtful so you want to censor me in a way that would represent wwii germany or the USSR, (good job), I applaud your Idealism. here is another example for you the civil war from the time it ended they held reenactment even to this day and age should we not allow that also because some one had slaves as family over 150 yrs ago,... dont think thats ancient history yet either ? how far back do we go in ancient rome my ancestors were probably slaves as they came from everywhere ,... when is anything far enough back to please you ? I know slavery has little to do with Hitler but my actual point is it is almost 100 yrs since wwii to almost every1 that is ancient history.

My my waller04. Who pooped in your corn flakes this morning? Can you please tell me where I am trying to censor you? There is a way of talking, and you are talking with anger, and hostility. The "I will not be told by others... I will not be sensored..." does not take here. There is no reason for this kind of anger. We can talk politely, intelligently. How can someone talk/debate/ when you are hostile and agnry? There is no reason for it, and it is not accepted on the Forums here.

You say you will not be censored? You forget where you are. While this is a public forum for anyone to talk about most topics, it is still a private forum who has it's own rules, that it goes by. Your anger here and saying "I will not be sensored" will get this thread locked, because the Mods can do it and there is nothing you can do about it.

Why are you so angry at what I have said? Where am I trying to sensor your or your speech? I love to debate, but it is hard to debate when someone is so angry. If I have wronged you in some way, please let me know, I am a big boy and I can apoligize if I have said something wrong that has caused you to be so upset. What did I say that was so wrong? Just because you are in America, you do not have the right to say what you want or as you said, "speak of such things as you see fit", not on the forums from Bethesda Softworkds Forum.

I have said my piece, you seem to disagree with it, nothing else can be said. So lets go back to the topic at hand. So if Hitler is allowed to be in video games, how should he be used? How would you like to see hin in a game?

The versions of Hearts of Iron that are sold in Germany do not use Hitler's name, nor do they use most (maybe all) of the leading Nazi party members. IIRC the Head of State for Germany is a fellow named Hilter, with a generic silhouette portrait.

Really? I didn't know that. I thought I read that there was a pic of him in there. I didn't know it went that far. I know this is not part of the topic, but you are not allowed to have red blood on humans in the games in Germany as well. When I was watching the trailer for Masters of Orion III, we wondered why the human had green blood and that is when we found out, red blood is not allowed in German games. I don't know if this has changed or not, or if it's still like that as well.

So if they still have the fellow named Hitler, you can see that Germany is not trying to change History, or rewrite it, but don't want him glorified in anyway.