So if they still have the fellow named Hitler, you can see that Germany is not trying to change History, or rewrite it, but don't want him glorified in anyway.

The figure was apparently named "Hilter". But still, they have a similarly named fellow.

50 years is in no way "ancient history". That's only a few generations. 50 years is like the blink of an eye. The Holocaust was scarring to millions and millions of people, and honestly, I think it's even right that Germany (and a lot of others, as well) doesn't want Hollywood-ized version of WWII elements and the Holocaust being spread about. People learn from what happens in video games, even if they consciously know that it's just a game and not the 100% accurate protrayal. After only 50 years, the subject of the Holocaust is also still too close to many people to be made money off of. It's called tact.

I think the fact that http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/118/866101-hitler_super.png was one of the reasons it was never released in the US.

Really? I didn't know that. I thought I read that there was a pic of him in there. I didn't know it went that far. I know this is not part of the topic, but you are not allowed to have red blood on humans in the games in Germany as well. When I was watching the trailer for Masters of Orion III, we wondered why the human had green blood and that is when we found out, red blood is not allowed in German games. I don't know if this has changed or not, or if it's still like that as well.

So if they still have the fellow named Hitler, you can see that Germany is not trying to change History, or rewrite it, but don't want him glorified in anyway.

Except for all those oscar-bait movies based on the holocaust. Some of those made a ton of money at the box office. Why are hollywood movies dramatizing the holocaust snd hitler's role in the war allowable while video game depictions are not? Seems to me to be a double standard.

The figure was apparently named "Hilter". But still, they have a similarly named fellow.

50 years is in no way "ancient history". That's only a few generations. 50 years is like the blink of an eye. The Holocaust was scarring to millions and millions of people, and honestly, I think it's even right that Germany (and a lot of others, as well) doesn't want Hollywood-ized version of WWII elements and the Holocaust being spread about. People learn from what happens in video games, even if they consciously know that it's just a game and not the 100% accurate protrayal. After only 50 years, the subject of the Holocaust is also still too close to many people to be made money off of. It's called tact.

And in another European release (I think?) Hitler leads Germany, but with the red-white-black flag while I've seen the red flag with a swastika being used in a video showing the Russian release IIRC.

Oh you gotta be getting me...Hitler harnessing the power of the Spear of Destiny and a lovecraftinan horror? who wrote that game's plot?

I am 99.99% positive that there is no swastika in any official release by Paradox. It is incredibly easy to mod into the game though so screenshots and videos with that flag are very common.

Problem I find lately is people are such pansies everything is "Wrong" and "Upsets" them. Dumbest thing i've seen so far is that commercial with wanda sykes saying you shouldn't use the word "Gay" to describe something you don't like. We as a society can't move past things if people aren't willing to deal with it. Instead it seems we need to "Shelter" ourselves from uncomfortable subjects to help us "Move forward" which is a bunch of crap imho.

Problem I find lately is people are such pansies everything is "Wrong" and "Upsets" them. Dumbest thing i've seen so far is that commercial with wanda sykes saying you shouldn't use the word "Gay" to describe something you don't like. We as a society can't move past things if people aren't willing to deal with it. Instead it seems we need to "Shelter" ourselves from uncomfortable subjects to help us "Move forward" which is a bunch of crap imho.

Using "gay" as a synonym or slang for something bad, broken or wrong shouldn't be encouraged. Insert any other noun relating to human beings in its place (six, ethnicity, race, handicap) and see how it sounds. While I agree society is becoming too thin-skinned some things are so obviously insulting bristling over their usage is warranted.

I am 99.99% positive that there is no swastika in any official release by Paradox. It is incredibly easy to mod into the game though so screenshots and videos with that flag are very common.

That is correct, the swastika is not present in any official version of their WW2 era series.

I believe he should be represented in games if we allow other such "crazies" from history to be represented, others such as Stalin who killed 10 x more people then Hitler ever did, Genghis Khan who rode across Europe and Asia killing and [censored] as he went, and even more modern mass murders get represented all the time,... lets look at the facts and the pro's and con's of doing so.

First of all he has been dead and his regime destroyed well over 50 yrs ago making it for all ,.. ancient history ( I mean no disrespect for any1 who's family was effected by him or his regime), but a 2 full generations seperate us from the man and his regime.

Secondly I for 1 find it ridiculous to play world war 2 games like civilization and have Germany represented by any1 else but him, yet at the same time still have Stalin representing Russia.

My my waller04. Who pooped in your corn flakes this morning? Can you please tell me where I am trying to censor you? There is a way of talking, and you are talking with anger, and hostility. The "I will not be told by others... I will not be sensored..." does not take here. There is no reason for this kind of anger. We can talk politely, intelligently. How can someone talk/debate/ when you are hostile and agnry? There is no reason for it, and it is not accepted on the Forums here.

You say you will not be censored? You forget where you are. While this is a public forum for anyone to talk about most topics, it is still a private forum who has it's own rules, that it goes by. Your anger here and saying "I will not be sensored" will get this thread locked, because the Mods can do it and there is nothing you can do about it.

Why are you so angry at what I have said? Where am I trying to sensor your or your speech? I love to debate, but it is hard to debate when someone is so angry. If I have wronged you in some way, please let me know, I am a big boy and I can apoligize if I have said something wrong that has caused you to be so upset. What did I say that was so wrong? Just because you are in America, you do not have the right to say what you want or as you said, "speak of such things as you see fit", not on the forums from Bethesda Softworkds Forum.

I have said my piece, you seem to disagree with it, nothing else can be said. So lets go back to the topic at hand. So if Hitler is allowed to be in video games, how should he be used? How would you like to see hin in a game?